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Ammoman
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Cans+Insurance. Tell or Not? Reply with quote

Hi,

Thinking of changing the standard Cans on my 58reg Hayabusa.

Question is do I have to inform my Insurance company & if so will it cost me.. Thanks..
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't bother declaring mods, but then I have no intention of claiming if my bike ever gets stolen etc. but that's just me Smile
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

personal opinion, no.

If it means anything, didnt declare my Arrow system and when my bike was stolen and later returned fixed up, arrow system and Evotech tail tidy was back on/still on.

No questions asked.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Choice is yours really, chances are they won't pick up on it but IF you have an accident resulting in a claim and it is investigated the insurance company would use it as a way to invalidate your insurance.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didnt cost me a penny extra on my cbr

Best thing to do is to call your insurance and ask them how much extra it will cost you.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

moonman wrote:
Choice is yours really, chances are they won't pick up on it but IF you have an accident resulting in a claim and it is investigated the insurance company would use it as a way to invalidate your insurance.


They would still have to cover you, most just ask you to pay an increased premium.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my busa, when I put Scorpions on and stuck it through a comparison site it went from £390 to £4000 Laughing

I didn't tell them.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Ammoman.

When I had the SV650S, it cost me £400 to insure, TPFT. When I added an aftermarket Pipe Werx slip on it increased the insurance from £400 to £1800. Laughing!

Think that's bad? Adding braided brake lines would have put it up over two thousand pounds. Shocked.

In short, no, I don't declare it. When I was hit off the SV650S by some woman (it was her fault, so my insurance didn't pay out anything) my insurance company collected my bike with the non-declared aftermarket can on plus a few other subtle modifications (Carbon hugger, double-bubble screen, levers and a few others) and just got the bike valued and never said a word about it, likely because the accident was non-fault. Laughing!

On the GSX-R I have a full Akrapovic system, so it replaces the downpipes, gets rid of the catalytic converter and comes out single-sided (standard is double sided) with a titanium/carbon fibre end can, meaning it doesn't even look close to standard, let alone sound it. Laughing! I have it on there at all times but I also have the full standard system in the garage which can be put on in half an hour or so, so if I did have an accident and the bike could be ridden home then it could be swapped over if required, but I doubt I'd do it.

In short, it's up to you, but chances are it will skyrocket your premium and to me it just wasn't worth it. My Father has declared the modifications on the GSX-R on his insurance for it and it barely changed his premium at all, the perks of being 48 with something like 28 years no-claims bonus I guess? Laughing!

Hope that helps. Thumbs Up.
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? Last year the can cost me nothing and im 22 with 6 points.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Really? Last year the can cost me nothing and im 22 with 6 points.

Really, I was absolutely gobsmacked.

I was just dumbstruck, especially because the security on my bikes is crazy major and I'm in a pretty nice area and when it makes no difference to the bike itself, and, in the case of braided brake lines, may even make it safer due to increase braking efficiency, it still skyrocketed the price.

This was just on a standard comparison site however as it was before I discovered the awesome insurance company that is Ramasis Insurance, so I like to think it wouldn't be so bad now! Laughing!

Cheers!
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I declare fuck all. Only got queried once when it was a mod to my car... a few mods Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give em a call and ask how much it would cost if you had one fitted.

Mine (MCE) didn't charge anything extra, but they suggested it depends on whether the exhaust enhances performance or not (mine didn't meet the threshold so no extra £££).
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i put beowulf gp pipes on my busa & a power commander .

i never told the insurance as i'm sure it will put it up & at the end of the day if anything goes wrong i can't use it anyway as i've got 4 lots of insurance & the last thing i need is for everything to go up .

i wouldn't even claim for a non fault as there's no such thing as a non fault in the insurance company's eyes .
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stuartt wrote:
i wouldn't even claim for a non fault as there's no such thing as a non fault in the insurance company's eyes .

I have to disagree with that.

In my second accident a woman changed lanes into the side of me as I was overtaking her, from what I know she didn't indicate and even kept pushing into me with the side of her car for a good second or two after hitting me, smushing me, the bike and my (at the time) partner against the kerb/central reservation so much we ended up rolling down the road.

However, as soon as I got up, took photos of the accident from every possible angle I could do, flagged down two witnesses, one of which was a Police officer and once she got out of the car I set the iPhone to "Record", said "I am recording everything" and made sure her response of "Okay" was on the recording.

During this she said "I'm sorry, I don't think I indicated and I didn't check my mirror, I didn't see you at all" along with other things and that combined with the damage/pictures/witnesses meant she ended up admitting it was her fault a few days later through her insurance.

Anyway, point being, I declare this to my insurance and the fact it was non-fault and so cost my insurance nothing and it doesn't add a single penny to my insurance. Why would it? It's non-fault! Laughing! Do they actually put up premiums for some people after a non-fault accident?
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 12 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rang mine and asked, they said that as long as it didn't add any power it wouldn't affect the premium, so it's declared... The re-map, not so much...
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i had 2 non fault accidents in 2 yrs in a car , both time's it was a car changing lane & going in to the side of me .

at the time i had 3 or 4 yrs no claims ( not affected )

i went to buy a 2nd car & thought i'll get multi car insurance , almost all the insurance company's wouldn't give me a quote due to me having 2 non faults in 2 yrs .

1 non fault is ok but any more & it will go against you .
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stuartt wrote:
1 non fault is ok but any more & it will go against you .


I currently have 10.

Doesn't affect me at all. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Added another 16bhp at the rear wheel, declared all mods and paid an additional £6 for my troubles - your premiums may vary.

All mods, extras and upgrades shown very clearly on my replacement insurance certificate - no worries.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why should it matter? It shouldn't be a requirement that a vehicle be fitted with the OEM exhaust system, its not possible in many cases let alone economically feasible when the originals rot away.
Its not as if you'd be scolded for fitting a replacement exhaust on your car, its to be expected...
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheeseybeaner wrote:
Why should it matter? It shouldn't be a requirement that a vehicle be fitted with the OEM exhaust system


It's not a requirement. It's just a risk feature. Shiney can worth £300 on the bike = potential increased theft risk, for example.

Paddy wrote:
They would still have to cover you, most just ask you to pay an increased premium.


Careful Paddy - I think you're missing the difference between Liability cover under RTA and an insurer's indemnity against accidental damage to your own goods here. Yes, if he had an accident and a third party was involved then the third party claim would be settled (S155 RTA blah blah - we've done this before) but damage to his own motorcycle doesn't fall under that at all. The insurer would be within their rights to void the policy on the grounds of misrepresentation of a fact which would affect the decision of a prudent underwriter. Voiding the policy = no cover for the bike at all. Not really worth that sort of risk on a 2008 plate bike worth multiple thousands, I'd not have thought.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Told my insurers about the exhaust, custom painted wheels, braided lines, and lack of security. Total premium for the R1 came in at £168.00 Very Happy
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never ever declared a single thing on my bikes. It is just stupid. Doubt 90% of those chavs claim for exhausts, radios, alloys...

I didnt quote for my spoiler, exhaust, engine mods, alloys and paint job.

Insurers pulled me up when they went to write off my car. £380 to cover it for the remainder of the policy Shocked Stealing my stuff Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Never ever declared a single thing on my bikes. It is just stupid. Doubt 90% of those chavs claim for exhausts, radios, alloys...

I didnt quote for my spoiler, exhaust, engine mods, alloys and paint job.

Insurers pulled me up when they went to write off my car. £380 to cover it for the remainder of the policy Shocked Stealing my stuff Thumbs Down


I dont think its stupid if it adds £0 to your insurance. I have gone as far as to add my crash protectors, seat cowl and heated grips just because it didnt cost me anything.

Piece of mind is worth a lot.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were to modify my bike I would only use genuine parts to modify it with, like a set of Remus Titanium cans which are stamped as Ducati Performance cans.

Or a fork upgrade using Ducati 999 parts, because a 999 is closely related to a 749, and the only difference between a 749 and a 750 is 1, negligble really.

Generally though I don't turn my bikes or cars into tarts handbags with lots frilly expensive shit adding zero value to the bike and usually zero gain, OEM or nothing for me.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends if you want to insure the 'mods' or not.

If it doesn't increase your premium you'd be stupid not to
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