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timtomtam
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Mod 2 Hill start Reply with quote

Hey

When pulling over for my hill start for my test on Thursday (Oh dear god it is close) can someone go through the general procedure?

Observations
Indicate left
Lifesaver to the left
Pull over

I am more worried about the indicator itself... is that to be left on until I indicate right to pull out from the hill start, or should I turn it off? Did the car test a while ago now and cannot remember what I did!

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j.silvs
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just done my mod 2 - rolled back on the hill start but passed Thumbs Up

First bit is right on what procedure to pull over.

Then Cancel indicator as soon as you pull over, observation (check for cars) signal to the right, lifesaver then pull off, cancel signal, check mirrors and off you pop. Only signal when is clear and safe to go.

Good luck mate
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only did a hill start on 1 of 3 tests, but yes, just practice up a hill to balance the rear brake and clutch, don't be afraid to give it some revs
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 13 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

timtomtam please pull over and stop in a safe position

# Locate a safe position

# Reduce speed

# Mirror, signal, life saver and pull into the spot

# Pull the clutch in, right foot covering the rear brake and left foot on the floor.

# When instructed to move off, get yourself into first with the olde left foot / right foot dance.

# Mirror, indicate, life saver and pull away CANCEL THE INDICATOR

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Something like that, but you already knew this.
Practice makes perfect, So go find a steep hill within 5/10 minutes of the test centre and practice Thumbs Up
Just make sure you find yourself a Safe spot, don't panic and dive into the first spot you see. Also if you not confident with the biting point of the clutch and worried you'll roll back, simple trick to know when the engine has got you.
With your foot still on the rear brake, rev the engine and slowly release the clutch. When the rev counter needle begins to drop, you can happily remove the rear brake slowly safely in the knowledge the engine will hold you. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 09:37 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogue_Shadow wrote:
# Mirror, signal, life saver and pull into the spot


To be honest it won't make much difference usually, but always try and do the mirror and signal BEFORE slowing down. Just remember the OSM/PSL routine


Rogue_Shadow wrote:
# When instructed to move off, get yourself into first with the olde left foot / right foot dance.


Again I would advise staying in first when you stop, unless the examiner tells you to put it in neutral, this will avoid the 'dance'.

Don't over worry or complicate things, you will not fail if the bike rolls back a little, as long as you do not lose control

Rogue_Shadow wrote:
Something like that, but you already knew this.
Practice makes perfect, So go find a steep hill within 5/10 minutes of the test centre and practice
Just make sure you find yourself a Safe spot, don't panic and dive into the first spot you see. Also if you not confident with the biting point of the clutch and worried you'll roll back, simple trick to know when the engine has got you.
With your foot still on the rear brake, rev the engine and slowly release the clutch. When the rev counter needle begins to drop, you can happily remove the rear brake slowly safely in the knowledge the engine will hold you.


All excellent advice
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

All good, pull away, cancel the right indicator, then cancel it again. Then change up to second and cancel it again. Wink
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you have to remember to not indicate to pull out unitll ts clear to do so I.E any traffic has passed. Then when theres a gap in traffic indicate. I dont lknow why this is but there was a thread recently where someone failied for indication right to pull out inot traffic.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Then change up to second and cancel it again. Wink


It's a good habit to get into that - really glad my instructor gave me that tip as it's saved me leaving indicators flashing on many occasions now.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get into the habit of triple tapping the indicator switch after any manouver.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't actually need to indicate when you pull away from the kerb.

You signal if it will be of benefit to other road users. As the road is clear when you move away, you don't need to signal and therefore don't need to remember to cancel it.

Indicate if you want just remember to cancel.

As above mirror check and signal before you start to slow down.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
You don't actually need to indicate when you pull away from the kerb.

As the road is clear when you move away, you don't need to signal and therefore don't need to remember to cancel it.



Not always so. If there is traffic ahead, such as waiting to come out of a junction, or will be affected by you pulling away, you should indicate, but not until traffic behind you has at least drawn level with you.

So as you said, 'You signal if it will be of benefit to other road users.'
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
You don't actually need to indicate when you pull away from the kerb.

You signal if it will be of benefit to other road users. As the road is clear when you move away, you don't need to signal and therefore don't need to remember to cancel it.

Indicate if you want just remember to cancel.

As above mirror check and signal before you start to slow down.

I was going to say this. I didn't indicate on my hill start as there was nobody around to see it.
And to remind you that everyone forgets sometimes, I noticed my examiner left his indicator flashing for a while after one turn.
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 14 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

HUGE thanks to all of you! Feeling more confident with the test now!!

If I could personally send you all home-made cakes I would... but I do not have the containers for them...nor can I even remotely bake Sad

Shall post when I pass (positive thinking Wink ) hopefully!

Thanks
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember sitting my MOD2, didnt even realise i had to to a hill start as i was self trained and didnt look into it that much.

Remember thinking "random place to stop on a hill" when asked to pull over. Had never done a test worthy hill start before but it was easy enough.

Just follow the usual procedure for pulling to the side of the road.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: 07:38 - 17 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I am stupid...

I thought it was booked for today, it was yesterday.. absolutely gutted, but totally my own fault!

Least more time to practise! Ach well
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PostPosted: 07:47 - 17 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

timtomtam wrote:
Well, I am stupid...

I thought it was booked for today, it was yesterday.. absolutely gutted, but totally my own fault!

Least more time to practise! Ach well


OMG!! Lol - I checked my test date every day before the test to ensure I knew the time and date.

Haha - I guess 3DLD doesnt apply to you for restricted or age?
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 17 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

timtomtam wrote:
Well, I am stupid...

I thought it was booked for today, it was yesterday.. absolutely gutted, but totally my own fault!

Least more time to practise! Ach well


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PostPosted: 08:40 - 17 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

timtomtam wrote:
Well, I am stupid...

I thought it was booked for today, it was yesterday.. absolutely gutted, but totally my own fault!

Least more time to practise! Ach well



Just how? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 17 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:53 - 17 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bah... I did this on my first Mod 2 back in November, got the times mixed up, could've swore I had booked a late afternoon slot and I checked about midday as I was getting ready and it was for 20 to 9 in the morning Embarassed Shit happens.

Plus point is if you ring up the DSA you should be able to get a new date at short notice as you do not have to wait 10 days as if you have failed the test as it hadn't gone ahead. So you should get a test slot almost immediately, depending on availability of course. Doubt very much that you get in before Saturday's deadline unfortunately Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 17 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just was sure it was a Thursday, had it on the phone and everything! Ah well, next slot is the 27th Feb!

But yes, I made a mistake, got a mate to book his test now with me on the same day, so works out well I guess!

The plus side is the UK laws do not affect me, I am from Jersey, Channel Islands!

So it is structured differently:

Category P

Typical Moped test, 50cc etc etc,

Category A1

120cc - 125cc - You need a CBT, theory and JUST a module 2 to get the full liscense

After a year of having an A1 license, you can do a full A license, which requires a minimum of 240cc (I think) which you do a Mod 1 and 2. If you pass that, you are full unrestricted.

But yes, all bow down to High Emperor dim Sad
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 17 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried any other test centres over the phone, if you try to use the internet booking service it will assume you have failed and show slots after the normal 10 day waiting period. Ring up and you should get a closer date as I said you hadn't failed and don't have to worry about the 10 day cooling-off period Thumbs Up

Also weird licencing laws on the Channel Islands, guess it makes sense that they are structured differently to the mainland as they are pretty much free to govern themselves Smile Will the isles become a haven for new bikers I wonder Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 13 Feb 2013    Post subject: Good times Reply with quote

Just a cheeky update..


I PASSED! Yayayayayayayay!
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 13 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 00:55 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
You don't actually need to indicate when you pull away from the kerb.

You signal if it will be of benefit to other road users. As the road is clear when you move away, you don't need to signal and therefore don't need to remember to cancel it.

Indicate if you want just remember to cancel.

As above mirror check and signal before you start to slow down.


The examiner doesn't count as a person, he knows what you intend to do, if the road is clear of everyone bar you and your motorcycle riding sat Nav, don't indicate Smile
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