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U_W v2.0
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: road salt... Reply with quote

So whats the deal with this anyway?

I mean, they make cars that can withstand years and years of road salt and crap off the roads without being washed off every time its used.

So why not bikes?
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You cant really compare bike v car because so much more of a bike is exposed openly to the elements i.e. engine, suspension, brakes etc etc

To be fair, bike paintwork usuallydoes alright its all the other bits that corrode.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just stupidity. I've had to oil and clean my brake caliper pistons because they had started to seize. Surely they could build them a bit better.... Or at least cover them up. Etc
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

?

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PostPosted: 11:53 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes paddy, I know mines a chinese POS.

But I'm not asking in relation to mine, just from observations about comments made on the forum about washing off road salt and how it can eat your bike ect ect.

I just find it bazaar that bikes fair far worse than cars.

I mean suspension, brakes, lower engine parts, exhaust pipes, axles and all that are still exposed.

So what's different about bikes that make them need so much more upkeep to prevent road salt eaten machinery?
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll photo my bike soon.

2003 bike VS 2003 car.
2007 bike VS 2007 car.
2007 all weather bike VS 2007 garaged non jap bike.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've had to oil brake caliper pistons


Shocked What did you oil them with?

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I mean suspension, brakes, lower engine parts, exhaust pipes, axles and all that are still exposed


Nowhere near as exposed.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cars get eaten by road salt just as badly as bikes, but it's hidden away underneath. My first two cars (when I lived in New England) had gaping holes in the floor and I was frequently taping my trunk (boot) together with duct tape to pass the MOT.
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

the last 2 winters i sprayed the 848 with ACF and after 2 years the only corrosion i could see was the caliper bolts had a tiny bit of rust on them and i only gave it a wash once every 2 weeks or so
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fair enough.

So to plastic covered bikes do better or worse as far as corrosion goes?

I should imagine they are a much bigger bitch to clean/maintain due to the obscure methods manufactures use on some bikes for assembling the plastics.
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

flumpy7 wrote:
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I've had to oil brake caliper pistons


Shocked What did you oil them with?

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I mean suspension, brakes, lower engine parts, exhaust pipes, axles and all that are still exposed


Nowhere near as exposed.



just duck oil, obviously cleaned them with a toothbrush too. Didn't do the discs though. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking i might find an online retailer for ACF-50 that sells bulk.

When i get a new bike save up and buy a fek load of it lol.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

U_W v2.0 wrote:
Thinking i might find an online retailer for ACF-50 that sells bulk.


I haven't touched my Vara since I got it. Changed chain and oil a few times.

That is all, no cleaning, anti rust... it is doing very well
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's really good stuff but yes i think bikes with fairings will do far better. i let mine get so shitted up the matt black fairings on the duke just had massive streaks of white down them.

i felt quite guilty as it was probably one of about 5 848's being ridden through winter.
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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just duck oil, obviously cleaned them with a toothbrush too. Didn't do the discs though.


Not familiar with duck oil.....is it ok on the seals?
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

One line of thought I am going to adopt as I will be giving two bikes overhauls over the next year (NSR and CBR600) is to paint anything and everything, even if its just to paint metal parts with something substancial to keep corrosion at bay.

Further to that, I am thinking about making some basic guards such as the NSR's expansion chamber guard for example (origional's are as rare as hen teeth!), also for calipers etc.

Will be interested to see how it all turns out!

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PostPosted: 12:08 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

well seeing as my bikes are all going to be all weather stored outside bikes I think ACF-50 will be the right thing to do.

Never bothered with this chinese one because well, I never intended to keep it for a full 12 month term.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
corrodable, (is that a word?)


https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Corrodible

yes.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't wash my CB500, I figure what's the point washing it when I get home at 7pm or so, I'll be out and it'll get covered in salt again by the next morning...

Thing looks a right mess, but that's why I bought a CB500, minimum maintenance, I am not the type to clean and polish it every day.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

U_W v2.0 wrote:
Thinking i might find an online retailer for ACF-50 that sells bulk.

When i get a new bike save up and buy a fek load of it lol.

You don't need a lot of it. Spray some on a rag, and run it over the exposed bits of the bike; if you spray it straight on to the bike, you'll just end up with an expensive purple puddle under the bike, and exactly the same level of protection as if you'd done the rag method.

TBH, there's no reason why your Chinese bike has to get into any worse a state. They're also good machines to learn to spanner on*; it's not like you're going to turn a decent profit on it at the moment, so why not strip it down, learn how to service it properly, and sell it on when it's in better nick? A tin of hammerite and a can of BBQ paint will improve things no end (as far as the frame and engine are concerned), as will a bit of filler and a respray on the tank. The side panels are something of a writeoff, but there's not much else that can't be solved with a bit of elbow grease.

*Nice and simple mechanically, although the electrics can be somewhat inconsistent.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

@U_W
Why not buy a shed?, what is it with ACF-50 all the time!, buying bulk; how much of this shit are you using?.


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PostPosted: 12:23 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both wheels, rear suspension and every bolt has gone rusty since october on my non-garaged jap bike. bloody irritating if you ask me
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corrosion protection costs money and adds weight.

Weight is the big one to avoid. If you look more carefully at how bikes tend to corrode, you'll see that some intelligence has been applied. The bits that tend to see the worst corrosion are unsprung weight - fork lowers, calipers and caliper bolts, axle nuts, wheels.

A light coating of ACF50 is all you need, the stuff is magic. Clean your bike well, apply ACF50, then don't wash it again until the salt is off the roads - a rinse with a hose won't hurt.

Also, don't get so worked up over a little rust. A little bit of surface rust is nothing to worry about.

If you want to be really paranoid, start waxoyling things like the underside of a car. Just don't complain when it looks like your bike has been dipped in mud that won't come off.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 15 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyhow all this talk about weather....im off for a ride! Beautiful day in sunny poole!
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