A change in licence laws?

[Phil.]

I know a lad at university that is keen on bikes, we had been talking about him doing his test and his options there after.

As he is looking to buy early next year and is 21 around about that time i adviced him to wait it out so he can do his Direct Acess.

He tells me today there is going to be a change early next year which will mean even direct access riders will start biking with a restriction. A 1 year restriction, how restricted it is supposed to be though im not sure.

Has anyone else heard mention of this?

[tatters]

have,nt hear of it yet but sounds good to me, makes it a bit more fairer with a restrition for DAS as well as the A2 test.
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[instigator]

first I've heard of it, ....I agree with it if it happens though....please please please let it be an end to the people who jump onto a stupidly powerful bike at "that age", giving us bikers a bad name....

Not a capacity restriction though, a bhp restriction, a capacity one would kill the market....

[Bomberman]

[iCraig]

I've heard nothing about it, nor is there anything on the BMF's website about it.

Only thing I can find is this.

[Ste]

[stryker]

I think new car drivers should be restricted too, 100bhp sound reasonable?

PS: This is a serious suggestion. Just restricting new bikers makes bikers look worse to the general numpty public IMHO.
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[sychosis]

I heard about this, I think it was mentioned in the last MCN
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[Villers]

Im with ste on this one. Instead of focusing on bhp, a capacity restriction would be far better. If a new biker was limited to a 400cc etc surely that would be sensible enough? If you stick with 33bhp then anyone can buy any bike and restrict it. Whats to stop that restriction being removed to bring back all those lovely horses. If a new rider is stopped and has a 600 its a clear cut case, rather than having a certificate that says 'this bike has been restricted bah bah bah...' that isn't worth the paper its printed on.

[stryker]

The CC stated for new riders many oh so many moons ago had to be reduced did it not? why? because those crafty little japs were squeezing more and more BHP at the back wheel out of the same capacity engines.
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[Ste]

Okay, then a restriction similar to the 125cc CBT laws, so say for your first year not bigger than 500cc and not more than 60bhp.

[Kickstart]

Hi

Not really keen on a CC limit. For example a 500cc limit would stop anyone having access to even the dog slow bits of the HD range.

60hp is probably about right, over a year. 2 years is too long for those who are riding during that time, and nothing will be any use for those who just pass their test and then do not ride for a year or 2. Only down side is that people will think "why bother" splashing out on a small bike / restriction for only a year.

If there were a cc limit and no power limit then you can be certain that someone would bring out a (for example) 400cc 2 stroke, with direct injection to get through the emisions rules. Should be fairly easy to match the power of a modern sports 600 but with a fair bit less weight. Certainly would not be as easy to ride as a sports 600 though.

The 125 learner limit came in with a 9kW power limit (now increased to 11kW) as well as it replaced the older 250 limit as 250s had got far faster.

Checking power or the existance of restrictions is not really any more difficult that checking the capacity properly. Fairly easy to bore many bikes out, or squeeze in a larger engine (Fireblade engined CBR400 anyone?).

Only real solution is with the people who ride the bikes. Just passed your test then you are very much still a learner in all but name so why do you think you can ride a high performance sports bike? We should be saying that, not telling people they will be OK on a CBR600RR or whatever.

Or maybe we could make the test reflect on the licence. Get more than 10 minors and you are limited to 30hp for a year, then 60hp for a year, then 90hp for a year. 5 to 10 minors and you go straight to the 60hp stage. 1 to 5 minors and you go straight to the 90hp stage. 0 minors and you avoid any restriction. I really don't think that the actual power restriction would make much difference, but it would certainly give an incentive to teach people to ride rather than just scrape through the test.

All the best

Keith
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[pipnet11]

I agree with the BHp limit rather than the capacity one. The capacity restriction is a bit daft as you can get very high power outputs from 500cc bikes now. 33BHp is also quite a sensible limit, it gives you a bike with quite a bit of 'go' especially compared to the 125s most learn on.

The other alternative is to keep it at the DAS learner limit which is 54BHp i think, which is a bit high in my opinion, as many people dont need this much, and you can still have a lot of fun with 33 or 54 BHp bikes. Infact I find the smaller bikes a bloody good laugh, the dont go fast but will change direction instantly.

note: this is all opinion and I realise there is a possibility I am talking crap.

Phill
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[loply]

Capacity limit would be daft.

My bike is 660cc but only 50bhp.

What about the new rumoured 400cc 2t sports bikes? 100bhp?

That would be plain silly. BHP restriction is the way to go.

But IMHO it should be more like 50bhp or 60bhp, and 12 months not 24.