A2 licence- does the bandit/hornet fall under this category?

[Michael18]

Just wondered whether the bandit 600 or Honda hornet fall under the new A2 licence, with the power to weight rule messing everything up! I found a chart that listed that the GSF650 was applicable for restriction of the A2 licence, but no mention of the GSF600?

Thanks guys!

[Thorn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CB600F

46.6*2 = 93.2bhp

So according to that, hornets aren't valid A2 bikes now. Get yourself something more sensible that you're less likely to kill yourself on, like an srad GSXR600 (93bhp)..
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[Michael18]

Oh my bad, I didn't think the Hornet was that powerful! The bandit though?

[Thorn]

Bandit 600's and 650's have always been under 93bhp, so to my understanding, they can be legally restricted to 46bhp.

[Michael18]

[Paulington]

Hey Michael.

If you check Wikipedia/other sources you will find that Hornets seem to be above 90bhp as stock, meaning they can not be restricted down to 47bhp.

However, Bandits are (from what I've seen) around 85bhp, making them fine to restrict down.

Although, I would like to see what would happen if someone were to buy a Hornet, dyno it, show it to be <90bhp in "stock" trim, get a headed letter from a garage saying this is true and then restrict it down.

Rogerborg and I discussed this recently and the law says "net power output" but it doesn't say (to my knowledge) where it is measured (I personally think it's measured at the rear wheel) but also when it's measured. Do they mean "power the moment it left the factory" or "power in it's current state"? I am sure there are some pre-2000 Hornets that produce less than 90bhp in stock trim now. Roger, if you read this, maybe we should throw in that FOI request? .

There should be restrictor kits on eBay for the Bandit already as there are lots for other bikes, under "Kickstart Engineering" I think.

Anyway, just know that if a bike has 90bhp or less in "stock" trim, it is legal to restrict down to 47bhp.

Oh, as for the weight limits, it's easy to calculate for yourself! Just find the weight of the bike, preferably dry as the UK law says wet weight, so if it's 0.2kW/kg or less dry then you know it's definitely safe when wet (as the P/W ratio will go down).

Take the power (35kW restricted, obviously) and divide it by the weight (in kilograms) and if the number that comes out is <0.2, then it is legal in terms of power-to-weight ratio.

Cheers! .
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