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PostPosted: 14:16 - 23 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hitler would have found it easier to send them all to Madegascar if he'd had north Africa, which was his 'final solution to the Jewish problem' I believe..
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 23 Jan 2013    Post subject: Re: VICTORY AT EL ALLEMEIN Reply with quote

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tell you why later but any comments etc would be very gratefull for your input.

Did our victory over Rommell prevent a much wider jewish holocaust..............


Define holocaust.

The piles of bodies in camps widely publicised at the end of WW2 died from a massive typhus epidemic caused by the collapse of the German supply and distribution system in the last 6 months of the war.

Zyklon B was for killing lice. Lice spread Typhus. The concentration camp system was used by the Nazis as a source of slave labour to keep the factories turning out war materials, since Hans and Fritz were busy having their arses royally kicked by the Slavic hordes in the East. The camps housed criminals, and any political or state undesirables in their forced labour system, not just jews.

Google Paul Rassinier. He was a French resistance fighter and communist, as well as an inmate of Buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora. He wrote what must be the first major revisionist work "The Lie of Ulysses" in 1950 on mass gassing claims by inmates in German camps.

Alamein prevented nothing of the sort. It helped kick Rommel out of North Africa earlier than would have inevitably happened, since it was largely seen as a sideshow in Berlin, and only became a propaganda tool due to Rommel's talent for defeating the Brits every time he exceeded his orders, in his desire for glory.

Palestine was sold out to the Zionists long before WW2. The holocaust merely became a useful bargaining chip in sealing the fate of the existing native population to the likes of the concentration camp that is Gaza.


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PostPosted: 19:24 - 23 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You could be locked up for even thinking that in parts of Europe.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 23 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can be locked up for telling the truth in europe. Confused
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 23 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You could be locked up for even thinking that in parts of Europe.


Truth always gets out in the end.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 23 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Ariel Badger wrote:
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You could be locked up for even thinking that in parts of Europe.


Truth always gets out in the end.




I can remember as child questioning to a teacher about a so called "Holocaust survivor" who was giving a talk at my secondary school as to where are the remains of these 6 million Jews as l didn't understand how 6 million people can just disappear into thin air leaving very few human remains or ash over the course of a few years of the so called "Final solution" in a handful of concentration camp crematoriums that take over 12 hours to reduce a single human body to ash. Which l was promptly dragged by that teacher into another room and given one hell of a bollocking for daring to question what l was being told!



What happened to the Jews along with other undesirable under the Nazi regime was horrible and hundreds of thousands of people did suffer and die from starvation, disease, medical experiments and being worked to dead as slave labor just as the Soviets did to there own people and the Japanese to POW's and other Asian races, but there is certainly no evidence of a mass extermination of millions even to the point of comical reports of lamp shades being made of human skin.
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 23 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it offensive that we are not allowed to question the events of the shoa to try and find the truth. This is unique amongst historical events and I feel we should ask why this is.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 23 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must admit that until recently i was unaware that everything i thought i knew about the Holocaust wasnt entirely true.

It was a thread on here that provoked me into digging a bit deeper - just goes to show, BCF is more educational than school.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 23 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
I find it offensive that we are not allowed to question the events of the shoa to try and find the truth. This is unique amongst historical events and I feel we should ask why this is.


I agree, the truth should be able to easily hold it's ground against questioning. Going further, sound investigations would surely provide more evidence for the Holocaust if it was true. When you aren't allowed to question something - whether due to shaming tactics, or even legal prosecution - it does make you wonder why. Why is the Holocaust so special that it is immune from scientific inquiry/questioning?
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 23 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
I find it offensive that we are not allowed to question the events of the shoa to try and find the truth. This is unique amongst historical events and I feel we should ask why this is.


Agreed. It's part of a rational debate and a legitimate study of history. If you suggested any such debate in school and offered even the slightest token logical evidence from an opposition point of view you would no doubt be sacked and find employment in your profession impossible.

The pro-Israel Zionist lobby is very well organised, has huge funds and influences all 3 major parties, as well as the major media organisations. They would fight any change to the holocaust status quo every inch of the way, with every dirty trick possible. Anyone who speaks out will be singled out, demonised and destroyed, both professionally and economically. This effectively gags any opposition, since anyone who stands up will likely find themselves standing alone.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its part of the power of the internet.

Similar things are happening in China.

Traditionally people got their news from newspapers which are state controlled propaganda pieces. Then they got it from TV which is also state controlled propaganda.

TV and news papers can tell lies but there is no right or ability to respond, therefore there is no debate. Therefore what they say = truth apparently.

Traditionally nobody believed the governments anyway, but it was hard or just plain bad to speak out and to find like minded individuals.

Online everybody has a voice, although sometimes this is not good, al la warped. People can espouse alternative theories, when somebody cries BS!

We can cite resources or use maths and or video evidence to prove or disprove others points.

The Holocaust is one of them.

9/11 and WTC is another

Imagine if it (WTC) happened in 1993 before the internet age. Everybody would have toed the government line, nobody would have uploaded the BBC video of them annoucing the WTC had fallen over before it had fallen over. Except fot a few VHS tapes circulating around.

This is why the government wants to crack down the internet and have something akin to China. Except even in China's internet B a wholly separate network. They can't keep up with the exposure of the corruption.

They can't even do it in North Korea.
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:


Truth always gets out in the end.


Dunno about that Japanese (and Chinese) textbooks have been sucessfully glossing over various attrocities which they have committed against each other for about 60 years now.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 24 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

History books are written by the victors.

It's not far of north korean tactics, THEN WINSTON CHURCHILL STOOD 15FT TALL AND SHOT HITLER IN THE FACE WITH HIS LASER BEAM EYES.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 25 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
History books are written by the victors.


An obvious but very valid point that the masses either don't want to hear or couldn't care less.

A continuation of that point point is that what got some of the Nazi leaders hung or imprisoned at Nuremberg gave the allied version hero status. The obvious ones being 'Bomber' Harris & Herman Goering.

Who was it said that 'One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter'.

I find it repulsive that a race (the Jewish people) bring up the holocaust at every opportunity to justify their almost Nazi treatment of the arabs.

I also find America's slavish devotion to Israel rather Sick

Which all sounds like I'm on a vendetta against the Jews/Israel, which isn't the case. But I do find them very easy to dislike.
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PostPosted: 01:31 - 26 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have a problem with hews. I do have a problem with Israelis though. Strange, Isn't it?
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 26 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll just leave this golden oldie here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeY6EqtQ_mU
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 26 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Which all sounds like I'm on a vendetta against the Jews/Israel, which isn't the case. But I do find them very easy to dislike.


inksmithy wrote:
I don't have a problem with hews. I do have a problem with Israelis though. Strange, Isn't it?


That's the difference between the jewish faith and Zionism. You don't have to be jewish to be a Zionist. Dick Cheney and the neocon cabal aren't all jewish. Zionism is a repellant racist dogma. Zionist will even persecute or sacrifice other jews when expedient.

I've posted it before but I'll post it again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY

and there's this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMntMb-omIE
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 26 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
I'll just leave this golden oldie here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeY6EqtQ_mU


Damn, but that was sweet! Thumbs Up Very Happy
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PostPosted: 01:58 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why apologise?
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

tatters wrote:
even to the point of comical reports of lamp shades being made of human skin.


this happened there was somone trying to sell one on four rooms a few months ago on channel 4

he collected stuff from the holocaust and pow camps
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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even to the point of comical reports of lamp shades being made of human skin.


this happened there was somone trying to sell one on four rooms a few months ago on channel 4

he collected stuff from the holocaust and pow camps


The random acts of the occasional nutter don't count. The jews would have us believe lampshades were being made on an industrial/commercial scale; it's pure self-serving bullshit, just as is the bs concerning mass gassings.

There were more russian POWs killed in the camps than jews. Killed mostly by malnutrition and disease, towards the end of the war.

The jews learned well though; see how they practice what they learned on the Palestinians.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
tatters wrote:
even to the point of comical reports of lamp shades being made of human skin.


this happened there was somone trying to sell one on four rooms a few months ago on channel 4

he collected stuff from the holocaust and pow camps



It was a fake, They even tried to claim DNA testing was done on the skin which is nonsense too.



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There was a factory at Buchenwald, which produced leather goods out of animal skins and a reporter who had visited the house of the camp commandant thought it would be a sensational story to say that there were human skin objects in this house. Just after that this story was inflated by the newspapers and the famous character of "the Bitch of Buchenwald" (Ilse Koch, the former commandant's wife) was created to propagate this lie.

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PostPosted: 14:12 - 27 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lampshade myth occured due to it being one of the artifacts on display at Buchenwald, along with 2 shrunken heads, a human pelvis claimed used as an ashtray and samples of tattooed skin, claimed to be selected by Ilse Koch. She was referred to by the prisoners as "Die Hexe" (the Witch), mangled to "the Bitch" by the US newspapers.

Koch hadn't been at Buchenwald for some considerable time before the camp was liberated, as her husband, Commandant Karl Otto Koch had been tried and shot by the SS, after a thorough investigation by SS judge Konrad Morgen. Part of the proceedings at the trial included allegations that Koch had shot prisoners. This usually gets whitewashed away, since it doesn't quite fit the picture of presented of the camp system. Neither does the Auschwitz football field, a match in 1944 of prisoners vs guards with a guard playing on the prisoner's team, a camp theatre or swimming pool or prisoners painting pictures of Snow White on the walls for the children. Those included the children born there that weren't obviously "immediately gassed" on arrival.

I'm making this shit up, well hear some of it from the prisoners mouths themselves, from testimony buried deep in the archive of the USC Shoah Foundation Institute video archive.

You'll have to put up with the angry narration by Eric Hunt, since it's taken from his video "The Last Days of the Big Lie", where he demolishes Spielberg's Oscar winning "The Last Days". He dug out the prisoner/survivor testimony videos from the archive, which he has since been banned from using.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8UmMuRSSw
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