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Ariel Badger
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 29 Jan 2013    Post subject: Opium Poppies legal in the UK Reply with quote

Click I was doing a bit of research into plants for an area of my garden that has been used for tomatoes for the last few years and now needs to be rotated, I will plant it with Sunflower as they just fill me with joy and I looked at varieties of Poppy to fill in the gaps but compliment the tall Sunflower. I can not believe that they are legal to grow but they are!
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 29 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same with a few other plants. Legal to grow but not to process into a usable drug.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 29 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose so, things like Morning Glory are hallucinogens but it is very strange that a plant that the US Army will destroy in Afghanistan are OK in the UK.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 29 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
I suppose so, things like Morning Glory are hallucinogens but it is very strange that a plant that the US Army will destroy in Afghanistan are OK in the UK.


Don't try and bring logic into the same sentence as the US Army or UK drug law.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get datura on ebay if you really wanted to spend money on intoxicating plants.
And it grows like a weed.

Although I've not tried it, I understand its a proper mind fuck, not many people do it more than once (if they survive) Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any idea how much poppy you need to produce wet opium (and in turn, heroin)? Fucking lots. Having a few bunches in your garden wouldn't even produce a milligram. Not to mention the procedure is rather complicated and requires a lot of chemicals and know how.

Yes, GLE programs destroy fields worth of the plant, but there is only one reason it's being grown out there. If it was that easy, why would we even need to source opium from abroad if we could grow it in our own back yard? It's not like cannabis you know.
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
not many people do it more than once (if they survive) Laughing


Yeh....that pretty much says it all. Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

got a shit load of "poppy seeds"
course there legal till you prick you bulbs Thumbs Up

extracting it isn't hard if you know how to do it
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
Ariel Badger wrote:
I suppose so, things like Morning Glory are hallucinogens but it is very strange that a plant that the US Army will destroy in Afghanistan are OK in the UK.


Don't try and bring logic into the same sentence as the US Army or UK drug law.


Not really. Afghanies grow Poppies to produce heroin and I believe they contributed to most of the World.

I have seen Poppy plants in the UK on the street, it's not unusual.
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends on the strain of poppy being grown
lots of wild poppy that don't produce opiates at levels worth growing Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poppies are my favourite flower, hence the two big scarlet poppies tattooed on my arm. I used to have a magnificent poppy garden grown from seeds obtained from wherever I saw colourful poppies growing. I had a large patch of different coloured "big" poppies and discovered one day that someone had come in and sliced several lines down each of the big seed pods, I knew that these poppies are grown in afghanistan for opium but it transpires that one of the local junkies had decided to attempt to farm mine!!! what a pleb.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:
Do you have any idea how much poppy you need to produce wet opium (and in turn, heroin)? Fucking lots. Having a few bunches in your garden wouldn't even produce a milligram. Not to mention the procedure is rather complicated and requires a lot of chemicals and know how.


thats total BS, you get a couple of grams of raw opium from each bulb
and why bother turning it into nasty heroin when you have nice raw opium
but again its not hard and you don't need a shit load of chemicals

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PostPosted: 10:21 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe one can smoke the sap straight from the bulb, and one can extract a fair bit from one bulb (enough for two or three spliffs at least).
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
I believe one can smoke the sap straight from the bulb, and one can extract a fair bit from one bulb (enough for two or three spliffs at least).


correct I'd imagine you'd get about half a dozen good hits from one bulb
as each line pricked would be enough for 1 hit

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PostPosted: 11:27 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:


thats total BS, you get a couple of grams of raw opium from each bulb
and why bother turning it into nasty heroin when you have nice raw opium
but again its not hard and you don't need a shit load of chemicals

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Okay, so maybe I exaggerated the exact figures, but it takes 2 jeribs of land (almost an acre) to produce 15kg of raw poppy material. That's quite a lot of poppy and that's still just the raw stuff, you'd hardly be selling baggies of that on the street.

My point being, no one is going to be creating a smack empire from the garden of their 3 bed semi house. I think it's wrong to compare poppy cultivation in Afghanistan to someone who may try growing and scoring a few poppy bulbs in this country.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:

Okay, so maybe I exaggerated the exact figures, but it takes 2 jeribs of land (almost an acre) to produce 15kg of raw poppy material. That's quite a lot of poppy and that's still just the raw stuff, you'd hardly be selling baggies if that on the street.

My point being, no one is going to be creating a smack empire from the garden of their 3 bed semi house. I think it's wrong to compare poppy cultivation in Afghanistan to someone who may try growing and scoring a few poppy bulbs in this country.


15kg of raw opium will be 20kg of smack once its cut to street level or even more
there isn't a lot of waste from the process of turning opium into heroin
its just easier to transport powder compressed to bricks
rather that a pungent tar like substance
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just looking at a few of the studies and powerpoints we have on opium production, I'd love to post the whole thing here but I'd probably get in shit for posting official docs online.

I'm not a drug expert, I don't know what you can actually do with the gunk scraped from poppies as far smoking that goes. I do know that it is quite a difficult process to turn wet opium to dry opium into morphine and then into heroin.

You DO need quite a lot of poppy to get that final product of heroin and I think that is beyond what you could realistically do in this country without getting caught immediately.

Do people in this country actually grow poppies for the purpose of scraping them to make a few joints of the stuff?

I'm not an expert, I just know what I have read and experienced whilst on tour.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
a plant that the US Army will destroy in Afghanistan are OK in the UK.


IIRC that totally backwards. The taliban were going around burning the poppy fields. Under the occupation by western forces opium/heroin output from afghan has risen considerably.

https://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2012/04/22/opium_s640x540.jpg?0d58dbac7c1c25bd9ed787712070c9b7cf20fae8
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My assessment on that was that is was a tremendously smart move by the Taliban. With Mullah Omar ordering the destruction of poppies declaring it 'unislamic', he was seen as a 'good guy' and it made prices of existing opium rocket sky high. Lining the pockets of the Taliban ready for the impending invasion. They then could commence with concentrating on increased production to bring in the revenue they needed.
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:


I'm not a drug expert, I don't know what you can actually do with the gunk scraped from poppies as far smoking that goes. I do know that it is quite a difficult process to turn wet opium to dry opium into morphine and then into heroin.


It can't be that difficult, its done by sandpeople in a farkin desert, much like cocaine is processed in a jungle by locals using t-shirts as filters and kerosene as solvents.

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PostPosted: 12:06 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It can't be that difficult, its done by sandpeople in a farkin desert, much like cocaine is processed in a jungle by locals using t-shirts as filters and kerosene as solvents.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know several people that grow "Poppies" in the Uk and harvest the opium
growing them is totally legal, its only when you prick the bulbs it becomes illegal

you keep saying it takes a a lot of opium to get a lot less heroin, your wrong
there is very little waste and at street level smack is about 30% pure
so a small amount of opium makes a larger amount of heroin
and as I already said you can make heroin pretty easily from opium

you say you are not an expert on drug's, nether am I but I do have a very good knowledge of most common illegal drug's
and run internet sites dedicated to growing cannabis and mushrooms
and I'm well aware of the processes involved in drug production methods
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought this was common knowledge :s

If people wish to grow them then they should be allowed to. The state should not interfere with people's freedom unless there is absolutely no other choice, and then only to very minimum necessary, and the freedom be re-recognised at the very earliest possibility with regular reviews of what freedoms are being denied.

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I suppose so, things like Morning Glory are hallucinogens but it is very strange that a plant that the US Army will destroy in Afghanistan are OK in the UK.


Well if you grow massive fields of them and try to harvest them for drugs then they'll probably be destroyed by the police here too.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't particularly like opium poppies, they are big plants that take up a lot of space and I find the flowers on them quite vulgar.

I preferr the smaller varieties of field-type poppies.

I've no doubt endeared myself greatly to any neighbouring gardners by liberally sprinkling Welsh poppy seeds around and about my house and garden. They self-seed all over the place once they are established and you can never get rid of them. We always had them growing in the drive and out of cracks in the walls at my parents house so I brought them with me.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 30 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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