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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Advice from the BCF Mazda MX5 mafia Reply with quote

Hi

Looks like I am going to need to get a new car soon. I am trying to decide between buying something sensible and cheap on petrol, buying something fairly sensible but sporty (probably another Alfa 156) or buying a small sports car. Choice of sports car would seem to be an MX5, MGF / TF (head gasket worries, not as sporty), Alfa Spider (floppy chassis), Fiat Barchetta (lhd) or MR2 (storage space is just about the glove box).

So MX5 questions. If I buy one it will be an NC and it will need to be an everyday car. Budget is about £6k, which counts out one with the folding hard top.

As petrol consumption is a factor, in real life use what kind of difference is there between the 1.8 and the 2L? What about the difference the 6 speed box makes?

What is the real life performance difference between them?

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:30 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 6 speed is only in the 'sport' (or it was when I bought my 5 anyway) and the general opinion was actually that the bigger wheels on the sport ruined the handling.

I doubt there's a massive difference between the 1.8 and the 2l in the real world, but I went for the 2 cos it's a bigger number :-B
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
The 6 speed is only in the 'sport' (or it was when I bought my 5 anyway) and the general opinion was actually that the bigger wheels on the sport ruined the handling.

I doubt there's a massive difference between the 1.8 and the 2l in the real world, but I went for the 2 cos it's a bigger number :-B


The 2l is the only one with 6 speed, the "Sport-tech" one comes with Bilstein struts and as you say, slightly larger wheels.

Having driven both a fair whack on the roads (worked for Mazda) the difference is minimal to myself. You only really notice a little more response above 4k I guess when you floored it, but a better driver will eat you in a 1.8 anywhere.

I would do the same as Bendy, why compromise, 2 is bigger Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith doesn't know something.

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PostPosted: 21:56 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
Keith doesn't know something.

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PostPosted: 22:41 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistergixer wrote:
Keith doesn't know something.

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PostPosted: 22:50 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith= Newb.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/HondaS2000-004.jpg

https://www.motortorque.com/res/images/car/vauxhall/vx220/roadster-(2000-2005)/18281_539.Png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Alfa_mito_2011_andrea.jpg

Or are they out of your price range?
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Plenty I don't know.

As to those 3 Frost, the S2000 might be within budget if I want an old high mileage clunker, and could put up with it drinking more than an alcoholic at a free bar. The VX220 is out of budget. The Mito is out of budget and doesn't appeal having driven one - my stepmother has a 1.4, and on a dual carriageway / motorway I find the steering (not handling) quite horrible; feels like you have a tiny bit of steering wheel movement with stuff all assistance then it suddenly turns.

All the best

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PostPosted: 23:24 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a 60 plate hard-top. It's not fast, but it is fun. Doesn't seem to be a massive amount of grip, which means you can play a little on the roads without doing speeds which will get you jail time Cool

I get around 35 MPG ish.

Before that, I had a 55 plate soft-top (pre face lift version). Felt slightly faster, but still fun.

Most fun, however (mainly for the noise Very Happy ) is my mate's mark 1, although I wouldn't want to crash it Shocked
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about a caterham? or is that just stupid? Razz

It'd probably be low enough to drive under the security barrier at work Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you not find another couple of grand and go for a Lotus Elise Keith?
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 04 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost wrote:
What about a caterham? or is that just stupid? Razz

It'd probably be low enough to drive under the security barrier at work Laughing


I am a wuss and want a decent heater! If I want to be really impractical I can ride the YSR (probably has more luggage space than a Caterham).

Ariel Badger wrote:
Could you not find another couple of grand and go for a Lotus Elise Keith?


Not really. Need probably £8k+ to stand a chance of getting a decent one that hasn't been crashed. And don't want to spend that much, and can't really afford to.

All the best

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PostPosted: 00:20 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any reason you're set on a later model?

As with all manufacturers, Mazda say they keep improving the breed, but for me they've sanitised it a little bit, with each successive revamp.

I'm in a very similar position and I've come to the conclusion that a 1.8 NA is the one to have; a third of your budget buys you the top end of what's available, possibly with some desirable mods, leaving plenty of change if you want to alter anything.

Having said that, classics keep sneaking into the foreground of my thoughts, so I'm just as likely to blow a shedload on a TR6 Confused
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MR2, the cute one. Get one of them, innit.
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PostPosted: 01:40 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: Advice from the BCF Mazda MX5 mafia Reply with quote

As with others, from having driven both of Bendy's; the mk1 was the most 'fun', partly due to being a bit scarier, maybe. The mk3 was the nicer 'daily' car, more modern generally with ABS and TC etc.

Still fancy a MK1 sometime, but absolutely no justification any time soon, certainly.
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PostPosted: 07:54 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've remembered the other reason I went for the 2.0 over the 1.8 - the 2.0 has a limited slip diff, the 1.8 didn't. (I'm talking the mk3 models here, circa 2006, dunno if that may have changed since they got the big smiley facelift for the mk3.5).

And yes, the mk1 is the most fun, but they're getting quite old now and you are a lot more vulnerable due to the lack of crash guff (and they're so small that no bugger ever sees you). Pop up lights though.... Cool
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think its just the Sport Tech with the LSD. That was the one loaded with goodies Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
the S2000 might be within budget if I want an old high mileage clunker, and could put up with it drinking more than an alcoholic at a free bar.


You should be able to find a 2003/2004 plate S2000 with ~70k on the clock within budget and bar a couple of rear arm bushes it'll likely not need a lot - they do have the typical Honda rear arch rust in later life, though, unless treated well. Reports of fuel economy being low are somewhat sketchy; a friend of mine gets nearer 40mpg than 20mpg out of his no bother but others really seem to struggle. The MX-5's are a bit old tech all round and don't return great mpg either in my experience.

No doubt you'd definitely get a newer, lower mileage MX-5 for that - having driven a Mk1 MX-5, which I liked, a Mk2 which I liked less but was still ok with and a 1.8 Mk3, which I felt had lost its way, I think I'd still have the S2k, or I'd save my cash and buy a cheap Mk1 to run about in.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Think its just the Sport Tech with the LSD. That was the one loaded with goodies Thumbs Up


For Keith's budget, I'd imagine he's looking at mk3s rather than mk3.5s though, so it was just 1.8 / 2.0 / 2.0 sport. Both the 2.0 models had the LSD, the sport had the 6 speed.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
##Paddy## wrote:
Think its just the Sport Tech with the LSD. That was the one loaded with goodies Thumbs Up


For Keith's budget, I'd imagine he's looking at mk3s rather than mk3.5s though, so it was just 1.8 / 2.0 / 2.0 sport. Both the 2.0 models had the LSD, the sport had the 6 speed.


Indeed, too early for me.

If you were down this way you could have had a play at the local garage, they have most models in there for testing Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those MG's with the head gasket issue can be sorted by using the land rover gaskets apparently. A mate at work did it to hers.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Plenty I don't know.

As to those 3 Frost, the S2000 might be within budget if I want an old high mileage clunker, and could put up with it drinking more than an alcoholic at a free bar. The VX220 is out of budget. The Mito is out of budget and doesn't appeal having driven one - my stepmother has a 1.4, and on a dual carriageway / motorway I find the steering (not handling) quite horrible; feels like you have a tiny bit of steering wheel movement with stuff all assistance then it suddenly turns.

All the best

Keith


I had an S2000, loved it.

Actually quite economical when driven normally, and flew when you wanted some fun. Insurance is the only downside. The values have dropped a lot - you could get a bargain.

I'm thinking of picking a VX220 up this weekend, for £6k I can get a 2001 on 54k. Not too bad IMO, and fairly sound investment. Not a practical car though.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a MK2 with an aftermarket turbo Very Happy

loads of fun.


Ran it everyday and was reliable, although spending 6k and getting something newer i doubt youll suffer from the problems i had like leaking soft top seals making it damp in the cabin.

Scraping the inside of the windscreen when frosty isnt fun.

Great cars though, boot big enough for my weekly shop.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 05 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wave2k wrote:
i doubt youll suffer from the problems i had like leaking soft top seals making it damp in the cabin.


I wouldn't count on it. Confused Rain drains. Clean 'em.
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