Rape charge = lose office

[smegballs]

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This greeted me in my inbox.

They want to make people step down on a rape charge?

Not a rape conviction, a rape charge. There's a massive difference between the two. At the point of being charged, it hasn't been legally established, through due process, that you have actually committed a crime. Does it seem fucking ridiculous to anyone else to force someone from office just because they might have done something?

[daemonoid]

It does, but it's also happening over here. https://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/07/bbc-stuart-hall-sexual-offence-charges

I don't think names should be published in all but the most exceptional circumstances (decided by a judge) until after trial.
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[The Artist]

Anyone in any position anywhere, if they get charged with one of the more socially unacceptable crimes, rape or something to do with kids, then it ruins their lives no matter if they are guilty or not.

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[Joncrete Cungle]

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[pa_broon74]

I think it was Jacqui SMith (ex-homesec, new labour) who was on the daily politics a few weeks back stating the exact opposite. She said men, (didn't talk about women) should not be afforded any sort of anonymity if accused of sexual crimes against women or children.

I work with kids (voluntary now but paid in the past.) Any of the kids could make an allegation at any time, if the fragrant Jacqui had her way, I'd be run out of my home, hunted by a mob before I even got my day in court. Even if the kid took it back my reputation (such as it is) would be forever besmirched: that shit sticks, it never goes away.

A bit of balance is required I think, I well remember the kind of feminists in the 90's who proclaimed all men are potential rapists because they had in their possession a penis.*

I disagreed then and a disagree now, its nothing but a hysterical slur.



* Also, don't flatter yourself petal.
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I have often thought it is unfair in the UK that men are named in rape cases but the woman are not.
IMO should be the same for both, either name or not, at least until after the court case.

I've read too many times men are victims of the allegation and even if not guilty can lose jobs, relationships, etc. Not a level playing field.

For the hard of understanding that does not mean I condone rape.
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[cimbian]

I was formerly an archery coach (County Coach) and constantly on my guard when coaching females, especially in their teens. If I could involve a female coach I would, failing that I would instruct one of their parents on what I was looking for and if part of the body needed guiding I would have them do that. The downside is that such remote coaching is less effective but in my position I had become the 'vulnerable adult'.

I don't have time for sex offenders but I do think general anonymity should be the base-line until proven guilty or where a judge authorises publication (i.e. searching for a suspect on the run).

With all the paedo paranoia that is floating around these are dangerous times. IIRC there was a paediatrician a couple of years ago that had his house vanadlised because the less literate in our wonderful society couldn't tell the difference!
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[pa_broon74]

[smegballs]

By all means if someone is convicted, feel free to string 'em up.

While I'm the first to admit it isn't always carried out correctly, I'm a firm believer in the ideal due process. What the fuck do we have as a "society" without it?

Personally I'm for anonymity of both parties up to the point of conviction. As said, shit sticks - regardless of the shitee deserves it or not.

[cimbian]

During my coach training I was told of an old guy that had been a club member for years, he rarely shot due to age but did loads of kit and field maintenance and helped with the juniors. He used to give 10p at the end of a Saturday morning session to all the kids that tried hard and they all loved it, as did their parents.

One day one of the kids tripped over the shooting-line after retrieving and scoring arrows and grazed his knee. A 'concerned' onlooker reported the old guy as he was seen kneeling in front of the lad touching his leg [patching-up his knee]. The whole thing was reported to officialdom and he was later exonerated, totally; however, such was the effect that he left the club and the sport.

He became the vulnerable adult and the kids lost out.
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[Skudd]

These days all men have to take care what they say, where they look, how they act, etc.

Rape is an awful crime against anyone, male or female, but the public naming of someone who is accused of rape is wrong. Although there is is an arguement that if someone who has raped numerous people, but the people have been too scared to come forward, if they were named it may give others courage to come forward.

These days I feel awkward if I'm alone in the office alone with a sub 30yr old female. I'm just glad that there is cctv in the office.
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The stupid thing is I've caught myself doing it when there's only me, the grand kids and the dog in the house.
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[BakesBeans]

If you're interested, the truth about rape statistics:

https://www.straightstatistics.org/article/how-panic-over-rape-was-orchestrated
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[Visitor Q]

India is a pretty mad country though. All corruption and baksheesh.

Nobody killed Jessica is a pretty good film about the corruption over there if anyone is bored.

'Rape' is one of the murkiest crimes going. When we hear the term we think of people jumping out of bushes with potato sacks and HIV. But more often it's a question of consent, consent removed, incapability to give consent, etc.

I liked the Hells Angel's point on gang rape. The girl would be damn keen for the first, and second... by the 5th or 6th she would start to regret her decision. Or at least would afterwards.

I still find the 'male raped by female', or even sexually assaulted, stigma is odd. I've been in situations, as have a lot of you I'm sure, where had I behaved like they did I would have expected police visits or at least visits from angry friends. If women were subject to the same grilling as men when they brought up incidents, they would get very upset. "You mean you woke up with your friend inside you, and you just sat still and did nothing?!?! Totally not rape because you didn't scratch his face off and scream instantly!!!!"
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