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PostPosted: 22:43 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Filtering tip I picked up Reply with quote

Hey all,

Was sitting in traffic the other day and suddenly noticed some flashing in my mirrors.

Was a biker coming through just flashing his highbeams about once or twice every second.

Really did make him a lot easier to spot and thought I'd give it a go.

Was in a huge traffic jam on the M25 Monday afternoon and thought I'd give it a go - best thing ever!
so many cars move over to give you some room and you can see in the mirrors that they actually see/look at you. So you know they know your there.

Just thought I'd share as Filtering can be hazardous at the best of times if you actually want to make some progress.

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PostPosted: 22:49 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It makes you look like a knob though.
Doing that should be reserved for when you think they haven't seen you and might pull out or change lanes.

It looks too aggressive, too much like 'get out of the way I'm coming through'
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imagine that the other road users assume that you are a copper, or a member of one of the other emergency services.
I'm not 100% comfortable impersonating such personnel and would not recommend others to so do.
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
I imagine that the other road users assume that you are a copper, or a member of one of the other emergency services.
I'm not 100% comfortable impersonating such personnel and would not recommend others to so do.

A motorcycle copper would surely be sounding the siren and have flashing blue lights, not just a flashing headlight...

Highway code says you can use the flashers to alert other drivers of your presence... that's exactly what he is doing.

I don't like the idea myself but legally I can't see a problem, the impersonating a copper stuff is nonsense!
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 19 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:
I imagine that the other road users assume that you are a copper, or a member of one of the other emergency services.
I'm not 100% comfortable impersonating such personnel and would not recommend others to so do.


eh?!

I flash my lights.. I don't put reflective strips down the side of my bike with the words "Police" and I don't have flashing blue lights Smile


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Raffles wrote:
I imagine that the other road users assume that you are a copper, or a member of one of the other emergency services.
I'm not 100% comfortable impersonating such personnel and would not recommend others to so do.

A motorcycle copper would surely be sounding the siren and have flashing blue lights, not just a flashing headlight...

Highway code says you can use the flashers to alert other drivers of your presence... that's exactly what he is doing.

I don't like the idea myself but legally I can't see a problem, the impersonating a copper stuff is nonsense!


Yes correct you can use, and are meant to use, your lights to alert other drivers to your presence.

I don't take the piss while doing it and don't try to "force" my way through traffic.

e.g. if there is a gap not quite Big enough I won't sit there flashing my lights / reving the engine as that's just stupid.
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

covent.gardens wrote:
Highway code says you can use the flashers to alert other drivers of your presence... that's exactly what he is doing.


It does say this. However in practice 90% of the time flashing your lights means (or is interpreted as) "go on mate - pull out in front of me".

This is obviously lethal for a biker who is trying to warn a car driver wanting to come out of a junction of his presence.

Hence I am wary of flashing my full beams. Often though I will hold them on while going past a junction - not flash, but hold them on as I approach and go past the junction to help make sure the car wanting to pull out knows I am approaching. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

As with Benno - I would be very cautious using what is 'much universally considered to mean "I've seen you and am letting you go, I'll wait" as a signal to get attention.

It's also rude to blind people with high beam to my mind.

Note that a high beam makes it even harder to distinguish the vector of a bike and could well be used against you in court if a car then pulled in front of you.

I do use Hazard lights (and have added a switch for them in some cases) when filtering in some cases - though I worry a car will see only one side and think I'm turning.

I also had extra running lights across my bar muffs.
It doesn't force people to see you with a slap in the face, but it's different enough for people to take notice when a quick glance may just see another point light source in a sea of them.
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PostPosted: 02:29 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

illuminateTHEmind wrote:
I just blip the throttle so everyone can here my akrapovic roar and crackle and pop. They tend to part like the red sea, there are a few who will try block you but when they position their car to the right of the lane I just undertake them or clip there mirrors.

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PostPosted: 04:27 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

illuminateTHEmind wrote:
I just blip the throttle so everyone can here my akrapovic roar and crackle and pop. They tend to part like the red sea, there are a few who will try block you but when they position their car to the right of the lane I just undertake them or clip there mirrors.


Don't know about you mate but unless the bike is 10 meters or less away you really don't hear it in the car - even with a loud exhaust!

with all the other noise of the traffic and radio on etc you don't hear it as a car driver till it's too close to do anything about.

Just my opinion.
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PostPosted: 05:58 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 06:20 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ve got orange filters over the main beams of my bikes. That is noticeable enough so that many cages give way.

Unless you constantly flick your brights they won't see it more than a few cages ahead. I would rather focus on the hand coming out to flick a cigarette, the chick texting while driving and not keeping a straight line etc rather than flicking my lights.
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PostPosted: 06:41 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

illuminateTHEmind wrote:
I just blip the throttle so everyone can here my akrapovic roar and crackle and pop. They tend to part like the red sea, there are a few who will try block you but when they position their car to the right of the lane I just undertake them or clip there mirrors.


What is the point of your existence ? Yo really are a knob. A125 with an Akra on is not particularly loud, it also makes you look like a tit when you do this.
You alone are the reason people dislike bikers.
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PostPosted: 06:57 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

In some parts of the US "wig-wagging" headlights on bikes with double headlights is legal


If you heighten up your observation you should see the lane changers watch for turned wheels, gaps on either side, driver not paying attention, and most of all a speed at which you can stop.
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PostPosted: 07:19 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP mentions a technique they heard of and gives first hand evidence of it actually working, yet everyone makes up all this crap about how it won't work or how people will start pulling out on you and whatever. How about you try it?!
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PostPosted: 07:24 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:
The OP mentions a technique they heard of and gives first hand evidence of it actually working, yet everyone makes up all this crap about how it won't work or how people will start pulling out on you and whatever. How about you try it?!


No one said it would cause people to pull out - just that the generally accepted use of flashing your headlights it to let people who don't have right of way, go and you run the risk of this happening.

At the end of the day, you don't really need to do this when filtering, as you should only be filtering where it is safe to do, at a speed that should something pull out, you can stop.
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PostPosted: 07:30 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eggs Benedict wrote:
In some parts of the US "wig-wagging" headlights on bikes with double headlights is legal


If you heighten up your observation you should see the lane changers watch for turned wheels, gaps on either side, driver not paying attention, and most of all a speed at which you can stop.


But in the USA filtering is illegal except in california, so what would be the point?

Vann, haven't you blipped your lights before? I tried it a few times when trying to filter on the motorway and someone blocks the overtaking lane. They still don't give way. Let's face it. Some cages will and some won't. If they won't, no flashing, hooting, screaming will change it. They are just selfish fucks who figure if they must wait you must also wait
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PostPosted: 07:59 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying everyone NEEDS to do this by any means..

Just saying it's a nice thing to see people actually looking in their mirrors because a flash of light caught their attention and a lot of them actually pull over to make room for me.

Take from it what you will but give it a try first before shooting it down Wink
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PostPosted: 08:01 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnPhonEh wrote:


No one said it would cause people to pull out - just that the generally accepted use of flashing your headlights it to let people who don't have right of way, go and you run the risk of this happening.

At the end of the day, you don't really need to do this when filtering, as you should only be filtering where it is safe to do, at a speed that should something pull out, you can stop.


I think common sense applies here, if someone is waiting to pull out of a junction and you start flashing at them, yes they may pull out. If they're monging it and dribbling down themselves whilst waiting in traffic and a flash of light catches their eye in their mirror, they may look and notice a motorbike is coming through and decide to give you a bit more room. I would if I was that car driver.

Sure, you don't need to do it, but we all know it's nice when a cager notices us and gives us that bit of room if they are able.
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tungtvann wrote:
The OP mentions a technique they heard of and gives first hand evidence of it actually working, yet everyone makes up all this crap about how it won't work or how people will start pulling out on you and whatever. How about you try it?!
No, the recurring pattern here is people saying that that particular technique is used for the opposit use. Laughing

As G says, 'letting people go' so I wouldn't be doing it as a means to cut thru traffic.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:57 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done the blipping thing too.
It was noticable that - when riding J D's GSXR 600 with a racefit, more cars did see me and adjust their position.
But (and it took me a few days to work this out), when I had the baffle in my ZX9 (full race system on a mildly tuned race bike) more people pulled out in front of me etc.

Tungtvann wrote:
The OP mentions a technique they heard of and gives first hand evidence of it actually working, yet everyone makes up all this crap about how it won't work or how people will start pulling out on you and whatever. How about you try it?!

Lets say the the OP says "well, when walking down Oxford Street in London I just lightly slap the face of anyone in my way, I find that I get through loads quicker!"
And then you suggest we try it - I mean the OP does get through the crowds a lot quicker and nobody's beaten him up yet because he slapped their girlfriend, nor automatically replied with a 'defensive' punch so might as we give it a go.

It's the same with people that ride with their high beam on all the time. Yes, they do generally get seen more, but it's rude and also puts them in danger not just from other drivers, but from the potential of being responsible for an accident.

And yes, I'd consider blipping the throttle on a loud bike a bit rude - but, the important thing is that it doesn't harm the abilities to drive safely of other vehicles, nor does it make it harder for them to identify your vector.
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
It does say this. However in practice 90% of the time flashing your lights means (or is interpreted as) "go on mate - pull out in front of me".

Partly why I said I don't like the idea myself - I was just saying there's no issue with being done for impersonating a police officer as suggested. If you use the lights as a warning of your presence, as the Highway Code says you should, then you are very unlikely to find yourself in any legal bother for doing so.

Benno wrote:
Often though I will hold them on while going past a junction - not flash, but hold them on as I approach and go past the junction to help make sure the car wanting to pull out knows I am approaching

I wouldn't even do that! Some people do a "long flash" to let people out and I'd be worried they would take the beginning of the flash as an invitation to pull out. They might check the other way and then pull out assuming I have, by then, stopped. Surely a couple of blips of the horn is better?
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am just thinking about times when I have been in my car and noticed the headlight of a motorbike or heard its exhaust in traffic, they don't necessarily have to be aggressively flashing or revving, but just the odd little blip can bring that extra bit of attention. Even I admit I can 'switch off' and not pay much attention when rolling along as 5 mph or completely stopped in the car, sometimes encroaching on the path of a filtering bike.

I do think 'flashing a couple of times a second' is a bit much, perhaps every 5-6 car lengths would be more politer and still enough to get noticed.
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