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PostPosted: 22:13 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Smoking cravings.. Reply with quote

Its been over a year since i quit, why the fuck am i craving fags again all of a sudden? Does it ever get any easier?
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

probably but ive never got as far as you so cant make any real contribution to your query, shall I just shut up and go now?
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 20 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have one, you'll remember how rancid they are.
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not have one, you will remember how rancid they are but you will still buy a packet (a ten not a twenty) as you are an addict. The next day you will buy a twenty because it is the weekend and you will stop on Monday but the twenty runs out on Sunday so you buy a ten pack and smoke them until Tuesday......... I have been there.
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PostPosted: 02:49 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Beatnck.

I think it's just dependant on the person..

My grandparents gave up smoking ~14 years ago and haven't touched a fag since, not even the slightest craving. My parents gave up smoking ~10 years ago, maybe a bit more, and even now my Mother will occasionally say "Hmm, a cigarette would be nice after that meal" or something along those lines.

So, some people get craving randomly for ages and ages, some just don't at all, the most important thing? Never ever put a cigarette in or near your mouth ever again and avoid smokers if you can, it's not worth starting again.

Personally? I have never smoked in my life, not a single drag on a cigarette, nothing. Everyone I have ever met whom are smokers have told me that that's fantastic and that, quite simply, they regret starting smoking, I should never start and that they wish they could give up. If you've given up, stay that way.

To put it in perspective, when my parents gave up smoking it was because Lambert & Butlers had just reached £2.00 a packet and they considered that bonkers, bloody £8 a packet in some shops now! Laughing!

How people smoke at all is beyond me, but now with the prices being what they are I doubly can't believe people smoke, give up guys! Mr. Green.

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PostPosted: 06:48 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: Smoking cravings.. Reply with quote

beatnck2 wrote:
Its been over a year since i quit, why the fuck am i craving fags again all of a sudden? Does it ever get any easier?
Mad


Its been just over 2 years since i last smoked, it gets easier i have moments that i think that would be nice, but thats the addicted brain speaking, the pros for not smoking again out weigh the cons,
I had a truely awful time giving up, i took champix the side effects i endured from these pills was something else, for that reason i could never smoke again,

In moments of weakness you need to find your own reason not to start again, when i was giving up, i would set goals of when i can have a smoke, then i would get to the set time/day and think made it this far will just move it to another time.

bottom line yeah it get easier.
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
So, some people get craving randomly for ages and ages, some just don't at all, the most important thing? Never ever put a cigarette in or near your mouth ever again and avoid smokers if you can, it's not worth starting again.


I gave up nearly 7 years ago, but every now and then do smoke from time to time - about 4 weekends a year I'd say. Last time was when I went to Amsterdam for a long weekend in October. It is horrible really, and that reminder of how horrible it is makes me remember why I don't smoke.

The trick is realising that you are in control, not the cigarettes.

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Personally? I have never smoked in my life, not a single drag on a cigarette, nothing. Everyone I have ever met whom are smokers have told me that that's fantastic and that, quite simply, they regret starting smoking, I should never start and that they wish they could give up. If you've given up, stay that way.


I don't regret smoking, that experience has made me better informed and able to share my experiences with those in similar situations to help them. Better to talk from experience rather than regurgitating crap you have no real idea about.

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PostPosted: 10:06 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best thing I ever did after stoping smoking was taking up a very active sport. The guys I play with a considerably fitter than me, so I am now motivated to get myself into better shape. I daren't smoke, as I'm afraid it'll ruin my fitness levels and set me back.

Whenever I remember smoking, my mind immediately says "Fuck that, you'll get your arse kicked if your fitness drops!"
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stopped in August.

I occasionally smoke now whilst out on the piss (rare) or the occasional doob. I like the odd doob, so fuck you cigarettes. Laughing



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PostPosted: 11:38 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stopped about three and a bit years ago, still get the odd craving but nothing like as bad as it was. Oddly enough, I have the occasional dream where I find myself still smoking and in it, I'm really angry at myself for starting again, then I wake up and its fine.

Don't necessarily agree with young Paulington up there, you shouldn't be worried about being round other smokers, its just another part of kicking the habit, you'll find yourself around folk smoking whether you like it or not. Personally, I still like the smell of a smoking cigarette, although ashtrays? Not so much so.

A couple of things I find a bit annoying are born-again evangelical non-smokers looking down their noses in disgust at those who still smoke (my dad went down that road) and people who've never started giving advice to others who wish to stop.

My point is, for me anyway, the cravings fade with time. Even after a meal, when I most enjoyed a fag, I don't have any thoughts about it any more. For me that was my worst trigger. (That and leaving somewhere I couldn't smoke.)

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PostPosted: 11:55 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

after a year its got to be a mental craving not a physical craving.


Distract your brain, have a wank Laughing



joking aside, keep it up dude, youve come far.


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PostPosted: 12:01 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5kn5T7s9I4
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's only one situation that makes me want to smoke again and that's being at a festival. I find myself with nothing to do at the times when I want to be listening to the music but not necessarily dancing/jumping about with the crowd. A ciggy/spliff at the side was always a little welcome break... but now I have no ciggy/spliff I just kinda stand at the side looking lost Laughing

I did try one again after a year without and it was 'orrible though, so Iwas kinda in agreement with that statement, but obviously doesn't work for all.

I know quite a few people having success with electronic cigarettes - a couple of them have got down to 0% nicotine which shows it really is just down to mental habit rather than physical addiction at a certain point.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stopped dec 31st and have had a few tea-leaf and herbal fags, solely to smoke a bit of pot in when I visit my mate once a fortnight. Absolutely no urges for a proper fag. The cognitive dissonance over it became so bad I think it's put me off for life. Thank fuck.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
I stopped dec 31st and have had a few tea-leaf and herbal fags, solely to smoke a bit of pot in when I visit my mate once a fortnight. Absolutely no urges for a proper fag. The cognitive dissonance over it became so bad I think it's put me off for life. Thank fuck.


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No need for tobacco at all silly beans Wink
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
I stopped dec 31st and have had a few tea-leaf and herbal fags, solely to smoke a bit of pot in when I visit my mate once a fortnight. Absolutely no urges for a proper fag. The cognitive dissonance over it became so bad I think it's put me off for life. Thank fuck.


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No need for tobacco at all silly beans Wink


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PostPosted: 13:44 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: Smoking cravings.. Reply with quote

beatnck2 wrote:
Its been over a year since i quit, why the fuck am i craving fags again all of a sudden? Does it ever get any easier?
Mad


Of course, you just have to view in the right way.

You quit over a year ago, but I'll wager you had 15-20+ years of smoking down before that? And like any of us you'll have had a smoke when stressed/bored/annoyed/thinking etc etc. That amount of positive reinforcement is going to install some hard wiring in the neural networks that won't disappear - I'll bet pavlovs dogs still salivated 5 years later even if they hadn't heard a bell since.

Think of it like this - the old smoking pattern laid solid copper wire, since you quit you upgraded to fibre optics, but as with any circuit, sometimes a short or electrical gremlin could send a voltage spike back down that old copper wiring, triggering the same responses - so you think you are craving a smoke again, when really, it's just lame ass brain chemistry fooling itself.

You know in your right mind you don't really want one, so I'd do something that makes you remember why - go training or something.

I quit about a year ago as well but still on the very odd occassion have a couple when out on the pop. Last weekend being a good example, I scavved 3 fags off the bro-in-law, didn't enjoy the first one at all, or any of the others actually - but still smoked then completely, thats why as Ariel said you really don't want to break formation on that score as the old pattern of "I don't even enjoy this but I'm not going to put out a half smoked fag" kicks right back in. I'm good now in that I'm able to go without thereon without even thinking about it. Going boxing certianly helps as a motivator as well, as there's no room for being out of breath in that game at all.

Just remember, cravings last for 5 minutes. Then they fuck right off back where they belong. Stay strong!

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PostPosted: 13:59 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys .

Having given it some thought it is fairly obvious to me now..
You are right about exercise - 2 weeks after i quit i started at a local self-defense club. Just for the cardio work out really, and it nearly killed me Laughing

A year on and i'm much fitter than i was, the problem is i haven't been there for a few weeks because i cracked some ribs. 4 weeks of little exercise is driving me nuts, i'm forgetting what it feels like to be out of breath and my mind is fucking with me.

Plus a bit of extra stress at home and BANG! And to top it off i just found my eldest boys baccy stash in the shed..

I'm not going to give in to it, i know me - I couldnt stop at one. Plus i rreckon if i did have one i would probably have a massive head rush and puke.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

beatnck2 wrote:
Thanks guys .

Having given it some thought it is fairly obvious to me now..
You are right about exercise - 2 weeks after i quit i started at a local self-defense club. Just for the cardio work out really, and it nearly killed me Laughing

A year on and i'm much fitter than i was, the problem is i haven't been there for a few weeks because i cracked some ribs. 4 weeks of little exercise is driving me nuts, i'm forgetting what it feels like to be out of breath and my mind is fucking with me.

Plus a bit of extra stress at home and BANG! And to top it off i just found my eldest boys baccy stash in the shed..

I'm not going to give in to it, i know me - I couldnt stop at one. Plus i rreckon if i did have one i would probably have a massive head rush and puke.
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So injury + no training + stress at home, with no subsitute for the hardcoded "have a smoke" response?

No wonder...

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PostPosted: 14:37 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:

It's just not the same maaaaan.

Joints are crap, they barely even work
I've smoked for like 6 years and spliffs still make me throw up after about 3 of them, tobacco is just cancer Sick

I was smoking with the girl i'm seeing the other day and she was like I don't normally like smoking as it just makes me feel sick but this doesn't!!!

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PostPosted: 14:44 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
The Artist wrote:

It's just not the same maaaaan.

Joints are crap, they barely even work
I've smoked for like 6 years and spliffs still make me throw up after about 3 of them, tobacco is just cancer Sick

I was smoking with the girl i'm seeing the other day and she was like I don't normally like smoking as it just makes me feel sick but this doesn't!!!

Yeah, tobacco Tut Tut


So smoke blunts then? Or just roll up weed in papers?

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PostPosted: 14:49 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breathe all the way in as far as you can, then all the way out as far as you can.

Good to be able to do that eh?

Remember, the first fag does nothing for you other than make you feel slightly ill after about 10 minutes. The second one immediately removes that slightly ill feeling so you feel better for it BUT it only takes you back to how you were before you'd had the first one.

Don't be decieved. You don't and never did feel better for smoking a fag, they just temporarily removed the symptoms of the nicotine withdrawal the previous one caused.

If you haven't already done so, Allen Carrs Easyway book is quite short and cheap and explains the above.
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
The Artist wrote:

It's just not the same maaaaan.

Joints are crap, they barely even work
I've smoked for like 6 years and spliffs still make me throw up after about 3 of them, tobacco is just cancer Sick

I was smoking with the girl i'm seeing the other day and she was like I don't normally like smoking as it just makes me feel sick but this doesn't!!!

Yeah, tobacco Tut Tut


I smoked cigarettes first so the transition was easy. Also something about the preparation, nice grinders, having my box with all my equipment in and making a perfect cone is so satisfying.

Bongs are harsh on my throat and the high isn't the same without tobacco. I quit smoking ciggies last year and haven't smoked tobacco on its own for ~4 months now apart from once.

I do add it to my spliffs though. I can't afford to roll pure.

Also, your claim that joints barely work, you must be doing something wrong. The majority of UK weed smokers use joints but if you don't like tobacco then fair enough.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

...then of course there are vapourisers.

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PostPosted: 15:08 - 21 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Breathe all the way in as far as you can, then all the way out as far as you can.

Good to be able to do that eh?


Yes, it feels fucking awesome.
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I have read Carrs book, its what got me this far. I do seem to recall a chapter in there written just for times like this.. I'll dig it out.
Anyway, thanks for the help guys - Disaster averted and i feel much much better about NOT smoking now.

Sometimes its easy to fall off the path a bit.
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