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dandavidgreen...
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PostPosted: 01:20 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: restricting a bike help Reply with quote
Right I need some advice as I’m probably just being stupid
I passed my full bike test and have been riding on a 250 for a few months and now want to get a cbr600 , now what I want know is when I fit the restrictors what am I legally obliged to do? Do I have to get the bike dynode, if I do it myself or do I have to get them fitted by an “authorised dealer” or something? Also will the insurance company ask for any type of proof or does this vary from company to company?
If anyone can shed some light on this I will be very thankful.
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Turkish
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PostPosted: 01:27 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
They can be DIY fitment but the insurance company may ask for proof. If it's in their T&Cs they may just cancel you policy if you refuse.

Are you aware that a 33bhp restricted 600 supersport will not rev much past 5k? You will probably end up being slower than a purpose built 33bhp bike. Just a thought.
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PostPosted: 02:11 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: restricting a bike help Reply with quote
dandavidgreenhalgh wrote:
when I fit the restrictors what am I legally obliged to do?

Absolutely sod all. All that matters (legally) is that you're riding within the terms of your license, i.e. that the bike is not making more than 25kW "net power output" when you're riding it in a public place, which probably means at the crank.

Scammers like "FI International" will lie to you and tell you that you need a 'certificate' but it's tosh. They're selling you 50p of washers or a screw in your throttle, plus a bit of paper for £200.


dandavidgreenhalgh wrote:
Also will the insurance company ask for any type of proof or does this vary from company to company?

Varies. Some of them ask for a piece of paper. Paddy on here satisfied his insurers with a comically badly hand scribbled "Is 33bhp" and a robust assertion that the 'certificate' that they were asking for doesn't actually exist.

Another thing to note is that many insurers don't even distinguish between different types of license, just "provisional" or "full". Using those definitions, you have a "full" license. So if you truthfully tell them that, why would they expect your bike to be restricted? If you do tell them that it is, many of them will then shriek "Modification!" and ramp the price through the roof.

All that said, having a bit of paper is definitely to your advantage. It's not rocket science - it's barely bike science - to print up such a bit of paper. It will have every bit as much legal standing as anything that you can buy from FI, Kickstart Engineering or anywhere else, i.e. none at all.
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dandavidgreen...
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Turkish wrote:
They can be DIY fitment but the insurance company may ask for proof. If it's in their T&Cs they may just cancel you policy if you refuse.

ok cheers I will have to make sure when I chose my insurance i read the Ts and Cs thanks for the help
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dandavidgreen...
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: restricting a bike help Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:

Absolutely sod all. All that matters (legally) is that you're riding within the terms of your license, i.e. that the bike is not making more than 25kW "net power output" when you're riding it in a public place, which probably means at the crank.

ok cheers that what was what i really wanted to know what i legally have to prove, which is great as i can fit them myself
Rogerborg wrote:

Varies. Some of them ask for a piece of paper. Paddy on here satisfied his insurers with a comically badly hand scribbled "Is 33bhp" and a robust assertion that the 'certificate' that they were asking for doesn't actually exist.

that just sound like the insurance companies are trying to be annoying.

thanks for all the help
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iMark
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm insured by the broker H&R Insurance.

I had 2 choices,
Fit them my self and get a dyno.
Take it to a garage and get a headed letter saying that the garage fitted the restrictors and that they are working as intended.

£40 for the restrictors and £20 later I had a certificate saying they were "installed and working correctly", e-mailed them a picture of the receipt and H&R would then swap the policy over from my 125 to the 500.

Underwriters are KGM Insurers which apparently people have not had problems with regarding restriction before, so I say it was just H&R being dicks Smile
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was told 600cc sports bikes dont take well to restrictions.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
didn't feel it warranted a new thread,

Has anyone insured a restricted bike with Hastings Direct before?

Thinking of going with them, other posts earlier have me wondering if I should inform them that I'll be fitting a restrictor as I was planning on phoning them up to check if I'd be covered insurance-wise if I picked the bike up un-restrictored and rode it under tuition of a qualified bike instructor to my local bike garage (my back garden) to have the restrictors (from Kickstart) fitted.
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weasley
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
thepuma wrote:
I was told 600cc sports bikes dont take well to restrictions.


Depends on the bike. The SV650 is a prime bike for restricting and the Thundercat (and thus, I assume, also the Fazer) restricts well, as it has a nice plump midrange to start with. I'd imagine other bikes with midrange rather than screaming top ends will be ok (think ZZR, CBR600F, maybe even a 636 Kawasaki or Daytona 650).
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Black Sheep wrote:
didn't feel it warranted a new thread,

Has anyone insured a restricted bike with Hastings Direct before?

Thinking of going with them, other posts earlier have me wondering if I should inform them that I'll be fitting a restrictor as I was planning on phoning them up to check if I'd be covered insurance-wise if I picked the bike up un-restrictored and rode it under tuition of a qualified bike instructor to my local bike garage (my back garden) to have the restrictors (from Kickstart) fitted.


Mine was unrestricted for a couple of weeks before I managed to get them in. My insurance never asked for the certificate. I would honestly not bother telling them and just drop it off at the garage without them in. You could always insure it and have someone with a full license and legally allowed to ride other bikes do it for you?
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
AnPhonEh wrote:
Black Sheep wrote:
didn't feel it warranted a new thread,

Has anyone insured a restricted bike with Hastings Direct before?

Thinking of going with them, other posts earlier have me wondering if I should inform them that I'll be fitting a restrictor as I was planning on phoning them up to check if I'd be covered insurance-wise if I picked the bike up un-restrictored and rode it under tuition of a qualified bike instructor to my local bike garage (my back garden) to have the restrictors (from Kickstart) fitted.


Mine was unrestricted for a couple of weeks before I managed to get them in. My insurance never asked for the certificate. I would honestly not bother telling them and just drop it off at the garage without them in. You could always insure it and have someone with a full license and legally allowed to ride other bikes do it for you?


The issue I have is I'll be trading my bike in for it which leaves me stranded up there, I can't take pillion on my current bike to get us both up there as I'm not insured for pillion.

bike instructor is going to come up with me to test ride it and give it a once over before I hand over any cash.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Black Sheep wrote:
as I was planning on phoning them up to check if I'd be covered insurance-wise if I picked the bike up un-restrictored and rode it under tuition of a qualified bike instructor to my local bike garage (my back garden) to have the restrictors (from Kickstart) fitted.


Unless you are old enough to do direct access (whatever age that is now) then you would not be licensed to ride it on the road at all I suspect, and by ringing your insurance company you are just going to encourage them to cancel the policy.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:16 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Turkish wrote:
Are you aware that a 33bhp restricted 600 supersport will not rev much past 5k?


That's complete bollocks.

Turkish wrote:
You will probably end up being slower than a purpose built 33bhp bike. Just a thought.


This might not be. However, if he passed his test a while ago it won't be too long until he can take the restrictors out and he doesn't have to bother selling his bike and buying another one. There is also a much bigger choice of 600s than 250s too but I suppose if he wants a cbr600 then that doesn't matter.

To answer OPs question, some insurance companies will ask for proof of restriction and some won't. If they do then just take the bike to a dyno and get a print out showing max power is 33 or under. I'd advise doing this anyway so you know that the bike is actually restricted properly (if you want to do things legally anyway).
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm not exactly sure on the legalities so don't take this for fact but I believe you can take a pillion without pillion insurance but they just wouldn't be insured if you had an accident and it was your fault. Check up on that though.
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

Pillion is a 3rd party so they have to be insured. Don't think such a restriction to such cover for a 3rd party would be allowed on a policy.

What they can happily do is refuse to pay out the fully comp liabilities.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:28 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fair enough. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
Black Sheep wrote:
as I was planning on phoning them up to check if I'd be covered insurance-wise if I picked the bike up un-restrictored and rode it under tuition of a qualified bike instructor to my local bike garage (my back garden) to have the restrictors (from Kickstart) fitted.


Unless you are old enough to do direct access (whatever age that is now) then you would not be licensed to ride it on the road at all I suspect, and by ringing your insurance company you are just going to encourage them to cancel the policy.

All the best

Keith


I'm 29 so would legally be ok.

The insurance I'm under at the moment is the policy I took out the day after passing my CBT so they basically have a note on file that I've got my full license and so can go on motorways, but I'm not allowed to take pillion without paying an extra £150 so screw that.

Will be insuring with someone else on the new bike.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Personally I never restricted it
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Turkish wrote:
They can be DIY fitment but the insurance company may ask for proof. If it's in their T&Cs they may just cancel you policy if you refuse.

Are you aware that a 33bhp restricted 600 supersport will not rev much past 5k? You will probably end up being slower than a purpose built 33bhp bike. Just a thought.



utter rubbish. They can quite happily rev to redline. Mine I can even make it bounce of the limiter (it delays for a second or so). zzr600.
Even in gear I can get past 12-13k if I really want to.

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