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Imonster
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: Rover 45 alarm keeps going off (SOLVED) Reply with quote

How on earth can I disable the alarm on a Rover 45 (X plate) please? Intermittent fault that's been getting worse and I don't want to annoy the neighbours or me for any longer than necessary.

The car's in excellent condition for it's age, it unlocks and immobilises fine, drives fine, locks fine. Then approximately a minute later the alarm will go off three times in a row. This is tedious, but it's now doing it at seemingly random times.

Not worried about disabling it for good as I don't think the car sits especially high on professional thieves or joyriders wish lists, but I'm wondering if there's an easy way of doing it without immobilising the car permanently by mistake.

Failing this, is there something else obvious that could be causing the fault? I know bugger all about cars, so would appreciate any assistance.

Please feel free to pm if you don't want to stick up information on how to disable car alarms in the public domain.

Many thanks for any help Karma
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its not wired to the horn then cut the nee naw speaker. If it is still diconect the horn and re wire it from another feed.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's most likely connected to the horn, remove the fuse.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky. wrote:
It's most likely connected to the horn, remove the fuse.


Pain in the arse remembering to stick it back in next morning. Looks like my car had the same problem as the horn is re wired by previous owner.

I had a Rover 216 with alarm problems and was looking to stripping the alarm out but wires went to the brain box (Mental Block) making it a right pain to do.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A draught past the ultrasonic sensor in the driver's door jamb is a possibility - try sticking selotape over the whole sensor & if it fixes it you need to check your windows & doors are sealing properly & maybe even shut off the vents.

Another common cause is the battery voltage dropping. The lamp in the boot can stay on & that may set the alarm off so try taking the interior bulbs out & switch the courtesy light above the rear view mirror off and see if it is fixed. It might also be worth checking your battery is holding a reasonable charge, depending how old it is.

The only other possiblility is a fault at one of the switches so maybe inspect the bonnet, boot & door switches thoroughly & get someone to sit in the driver's seat with the ignition on to confirm the warning lights go out.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there's a way of turning it off by the key in the door and turn 7 times, can't really remember the right way, the sequence was in the owners manual, do you have a owners manual ? Might be worth a look if you do.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ja7 wrote:
I think there's a way of turning it off by the key in the door and turn 7 times, can't really remember the right way, the sequence was in the owners manual, do you have a owners manual ? Might be worth a look if you do.


Thank that was to re program the key fob.
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky. wrote:
It's most likely connected to the horn, remove the fuse.


It is wired to the horn, and as said that will mean sticking the fuse back in every time we drive it. Really looking for a permanent solution that doesn't mean paying someone a (quoted) £100 for fault diagnosing that may or may not work.

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I had a Rover 216 with alarm problems and was looking to stripping the alarm out but wires went to the brain box (Mental Block) making it a right pain to do.


That's what I'm worried about Confused

Chalky. wrote:
A draught past the ultrasonic sensor in the driver's door jamb is a possibility - try sticking selotape over the whole sensor & if it fixes it you need to check your windows & doors are sealing properly & maybe even shut off the vents.



Don't suppose you know exactly where the sensor is/what it would look like please? Too dark to have a look now so will do it tomorrow, but will it be obvious as I've not noticed it before.

Will try the other stuff in your post too, suppose a battery on the way out could definitely be causing it so I'll get a voltmeter on that tomorrow too.

Ja7 wrote:
I think there's a way of turning it off by the key in the door and turn 7 times, can't really remember the right way, the sequence was in the owners manual, do you have a owners manual ? Might be worth a look if you do.


Cheers, but looking in the owners manual I think that's to disarm the immobiliser with the key if the key fob fails.


I obviously had a bit of a google round before posting here and found this:

https://forums.mg-rover.org/showthread.php?t=427906

but the problem is that it's quite inconclusive. guess I'm going to have to work my way methodically through all the suggestions that you gentlemen have suggested and take it from there.

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PostPosted: 23:22 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

simple and cheap would be to fit a switch inline to one of the horn wires and mount it somewhere convenient, but finding the fault would be the bet thing to do, try asking over on mg-rover.org there a fairly useful bunch regarding mg's

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PostPosted: 00:56 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to autodata the 45 uses a separate alarm siren behind the nearside front bumper, unplug it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nb wrote:
According to autodata the 45 uses a separate alarm siren behind the nearside front bumper, unplug it. Thumbs Up


Well done sir. Now that will save the OP a heap of head scratching. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:28 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: Dear BCF car thieves*... Reply with quote

Bit late - but if it was the horn, you could fit a relay so the horn wiring only came live with the ignition on.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nb wrote:
According to autodata the 45 uses a separate alarm siren behind the nearside front bumper, unplug it. Thumbs Up


Necro thread bump, purely done as it might help anyone else googling for a solution. I'd looked into the above quoted solution but that only applied to post 2002 (?) one's, and everything else I had read reckoned that the earlier 45's alarm worked off the main horn.

It doesn't, and today the problem was "solved" - the alarm nee naw on the older models is situated behind the scuttle panel. Happily there was no need to remove the panel, you should be able to stick a screwdriver through one of the holes in the panel to unplug it.

So yeah, not solved as such but no shouty car anymore (no sense to my mind in paying a potential few hundred to fully solve the issue on a car like this); and prior experience over the last couple of months has proved that the alarm going off a couple of times after parking won't knacker the battery.

Immobiliser is still active btw, so I'm happy, neighbours are happy. Hoorah Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

All Rover 400 alarm problems that I've had, (basically the same car) have usually been caused by a corroded or broken door contact switch. The same ones that operate the interior lights. I've replaced these in the past and it's solved the random middle of the night alarm going off episodes.

As said I wouldn't be too bothered if the alarm system was non operational on a Rover 400/45, of slightly more importance is the immobiliser system, but it's not a car that would get broken into usually unless an item of value was left on display inside.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
All Rover 400 alarm problems that I've had, (basically the same car) have usually been caused by a corroded or broken door contact switch. The same ones that operate the interior lights. I've replaced these in the past and it's solved the random middle of the night alarm going off episodes.

As said I wouldn't be too bothered if the alarm system was non operational on a Rover 400/45, of slightly more importance is the immobiliser system, but it's not a car that would get broken into usually unless an item of value was left on display inside.


Im embarrassed to admit that my relatives and I have owned so many of these shitty cars that I jave encountered nearly every problem imaginable. I can do a K series head gasket replacement in my sleep. Now on to the problem.

Stevo is correct. The switches are 'normally closed', so as the contacts get corroded they have a flaky connection. IIRC they can be prised apart and cleaned up with emery. Also, as it uses the bolt as the ground connection, it is worth giving these a scrub up to.

For completeness, the Rover 75 has the door sensors integrated into the lock which fail and cause exactly the same symptoms you are experiencing. I believe the later 45s also had this mechanism.

Fucking shite cars with so many common problems. No wonder they went out of business.

EDIT: I forgot to mention the epic workaround. So it turns out when this problem gets really bad, the interior lights stay on and drain the battery. So you remove the bulbs and guess what - the alarm also stops being triggered. Yes the alarm is wired into the lighting circuit and is inoperative if the bulbs blow. British engineering at its finest. 
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