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PostPosted: 23:46 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: scooter prices are not much dearer for a 125cc than a 50cc Reply with quote

before i bought my bike and done my cbt i was going to buy a scooter. When looking at scooters i noticed that to get a 125cc instead of a 50cc there wasn't much of a difference in price. Can someone tell me why.. because it really is annoying not knowing lol

For example.. on the lexmoto website the tornado with a 50cc is £839.99 and as a 125cc it is £859.99

Why?!

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PostPosted: 23:51 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

because you can ride a 50cc when you are 16, and you have to do a cbt to ride a 125, therefore a 125 is cheaper because you need to do more work to be able to legally ride it
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: scooter prices are not much dearer for a 125cc than a 50 Reply with quote

Why do you think there should be a difference?

They likely use parts that cost pretty much exactly the same to produce.
Most of the bike is probably the same, bar a different bore and stroke on the engine, slightly longer swing arm possibly a different exhaust and a different sized carb.

£20 probably accounts for not only the difference in cost of producing them, but some profit on that difference.

It's more a question when you looked at bikes like the Ducati top and mid range bikes why the costs were so different - a couple of grand when you seemed to get the same basic bike, but with a bigger bore and stroke.
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: scooter prices are not much dearer for a 125cc than a 50 Reply with quote

G wrote:
Why do you think there should be a difference?

They likely use parts that cost pretty much exactly the same to produce.
Most of the bike is probably the same, bar a different bore and stroke on the engine, slightly longer swing arm possibly a different exhaust and a different sized carb.

£20 probably accounts for not only the difference in cost of producing them, but some profit on that difference.

It's more a question when you looked at bikes like the Ducati top and mid range bikes why the costs were so different - a couple of grand when you seemed to get the same basic bike, but with a bigger bore and stroke.


you make very good points Smile i didnt think of anything like that... but tbh i meant you get more speed from it..
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: scooter prices are not much dearer for a 125cc than a 50 Reply with quote

We expect to pay more to get more, but that doesn't have to be the way, of course.

Presumably the brakes etc are a bit 'over specced' for the 50 - but it's not going to be worth them making separate even cheaper ones at this price point.

Another opposite example I was trying to think of was computer processors.
They do it a bit more intelligently now I believe, but in some cases the slower and cheaper processors are exactly the same as the faster ones - just that they have something set in them that says "go slowly".
It's cheaper to make them this way and sell for less with a restriction than to make two different products.
Cars often aren't far off, with little difference between some models bar a chip that says "this is the 120hp model", say.
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: scooter prices are not much dearer for a 125cc than a 50 Reply with quote

G wrote:
We expect to pay more to get more, but that doesn't have to be the way, of course.

Presumably the brakes etc are a bit 'over specced' for the 50 - but it's not going to be worth them making separate even cheaper ones at this price point.

Another opposite example I was trying to think of was computer processors.
They do it a bit more intelligently now I believe, but in some cases the slower and cheaper processors are exactly the same as the faster ones - just that they have something set in them that says "go slowly".
It's cheaper to make them this way and sell for less with a restriction than to make two different products.
Cars often aren't far off, with little difference between some models bar a chip that says "this is the 120hp model", say.


thanks G Smile you have actually ended my frustration/confusion Smile shocking that companies do such a thing though!
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PostPosted: 02:23 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmnz wrote:
because you can ride a 50cc when you are 16, and you have to do a cbt to ride a 125, therefore a 125 is cheaper because you need to do more work to be able to legally ride it


please don't tell me that you're trying to say you don't need a CBT to ride a 50cc at 16...
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernow24 wrote:
hmmmnz wrote:
because you can ride a 50cc when you are 16, and you have to do a cbt to ride a 125, therefore a 125 is cheaper because you need to do more work to be able to legally ride it


please don't tell me that you're trying to say you don't need a CBT to ride a 50cc at 16...


no thats not what im saying, im say you can ride a 50cc at 16, or if you wait you can ride a 125 when you are 17 both need a cbt,
or at 17 if you have your car licence then you can ride a 50cc with out a cbt, hence the less work comment (well more but you get what i mean)
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The same reason 125s can be more expensive to buy and insure than bigger bikes, I guess

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PostPosted: 11:35 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: scooter prices are not much dearer for a 125cc than a 50 Reply with quote

DOTTYDUCK wrote:
G wrote:
We expect to pay more to get more, but that doesn't have to be the way, of course.

Presumably the brakes etc are a bit 'over specced' for the 50 - but it's not going to be worth them making separate even cheaper ones at this price point.

Another opposite example I was trying to think of was computer processors.
They do it a bit more intelligently now I believe, but in some cases the slower and cheaper processors are exactly the same as the faster ones - just that they have something set in them that says "go slowly".
It's cheaper to make them this way and sell for less with a restriction than to make two different products.
Cars often aren't far off, with little difference between some models bar a chip that says "this is the 120hp model", say.


thanks G Smile you have actually ended my frustration/confusion Smile shocking that companies do such a thing though!


Why is it shocking?

with the scooters, they are two different models being produced sharing common parts, slight increase for the extra engineering in the bigger version.

with the computer processors then it's offering a budget version, produced in the way cheapest to the company in order to give a price.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmnz wrote:
trying to say you don't need a CBT to ride a 50cc at 16...


no thats not what im saying, im say you can ride a 50cc at 16, or if you wait you can ride a 125 when you are 17 both need a cbt,
or at 17 if you have your car licence then you can ride a 50cc with out a cbt, hence the less work comment (well more but you get what i mean)[/quote]

only If you passed your car driving test before 1 February 2001 you can ride a 50cc without a CBT
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