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PostPosted: 00:50 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Dad is not well, cant help but expect the worst. Reply with quote

I have a very, VERY small family, really just me, my parents and my sister. I havnt even seen my sister in about 3 years as she just disowned the family but thats not important.

My dad has angina pectoris, and has developed a weak heart valve. I dont know all the details as to be honest i'm a bit scared to ask, and i'd find myself internet researching it all the time which will create further worry.
Its all happened within the last year, and has progressively got worse. I'm still awake now because i heard him get up at about 11.30pm, went downstairs and he said he couldnt sleep due to a bad pain in his chest. The doctors gave him this strong spray which you spray in your mouth which thins the blood and relaxes everything. He didnt look or sound well. I'm shit scared of even going to sleep now, he will be going for an ultrasound tomorrow i think and to be put on a treadmill for tests. Been reading this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angina_pectoris

and its just made me more worried.
Could do with some advice should anything serious happen, as ive never lost anyone in the family and i cant imagine coping well at all with it.
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What happens is gonna happen regardless of how much you worry about it. Best you just make the most of what you've got & keep an eye out for him.

If it helps, im pretty sure i know what you're going through. The old mans got that spray stuff himself, has had a pacemaker fitted last year after complaining of chest pains & blacking out. Even now complains of being tired all the time, cant breathe sometimes etc. Not great, but you've gotta learn to block it out. Make sure he gets the correct medical attention as and when it's needed & try not to stress him out. If he needs a hand lifting stuff - do it etc.

What good is worrying yourself going to do either of you? Block it out & man up a bit eh Thumbs Up


Yea i guess, just dreading it if it turns out he will need surgery. Any heart related surgery is dangerous. His heart rate and blood pressure is fine at least.
Will just see how it goes, thanks
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PostPosted: 01:10 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

is your dad really that bad? do you think its really that serious that you might loose hime sometime soon ?
if so my advice would be to say how you feel , and let him know how much you love him
i am burring my dad this Wednesday Crying or Very sad and i wont lie its pretty shit, my dad had a rare brain condition that caused him to progressively get worse and worse over a matter of years, i dont really know how long its been since he could hear or understand what i was saying to him
and to be honest i felt a bit of a tit talking to him not knowing if he could hear/understand what i was saying , so as i said if it is as bad as you fear, say what you feel now before its too late
on the plus side a small family means a lot less bickering and arguing re arrangements with the family, its all ready started my end with regards to siblings feeling left out / not having their say
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PostPosted: 01:14 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the best for you and your father.

Here's some advice: stop reading about it on the internet. In the past when certain members of my family have been ill, I've done the same. When my uncle got a certain very nasty disease, I spent hours reading about it online; everything you read is a horror story, nothing has a good ending. However, in real life, this is not the case. The only stories that make it to the net are the dramatic ones, just as is the case with the news; bad news sells, good news is boring, according to the news media. You hear about the psycho who killed a dog, but not about the kind gent who fed a stray dog.

My glandular fever was a case in point; when I was told what it was I looked it up. The internet told me it would last anywhere from 2-10 months, and I was pissed off. But it was gone in two weeks.

I'm afraid that's all I can say. Don't read the horror stories on the internet, just enjoy every day you can with your father. It may not end up as bad as you fear.
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PostPosted: 01:56 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i dont really know how long its been since he could hear or understand what i was saying to him
and to be honest i felt a bit of a tit talking to him not knowing if he could hear/understand what i was saying


It was probably a huge comfort to him whether he understood what you were saying or not.
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PostPosted: 03:47 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear what you and your dad are going through eazyduz.. must be horrible Sad as others have said.. tell him how much you love him and be honest! Dont be embarrassed about it..

And also agreed about not doing research about what is wrong.. fair enough ask your dad.. i bet if you brought it up to him he would probably feel better for being able to talk about it and it may make it clearer for him too. If you feel you cant talk to him then maybe search his condition but look at the nhs website .. this can ve a helpful tool without ot being too hardcore and dramatic like other sites..
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PostPosted: 03:47 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear what you and your dad are going through eazyduz.. must be horrible Sad as others have said.. tell him how much you love him and be honest! Dont be embarrassed about it..

And also agreed about not doing research about what is wrong.. fair enough ask your dad.. i bet if you brought it up to him he would probably feel better for being able to talk about it and it may make it clearer for him too. If you feel you cant talk to him then maybe search his condition but look at the nhs website .. this can ve a helpful tool without ot being too hardcore and dramatic like other sites..
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
stop reading about it on the internet.


Do this^
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly, sorry to hear about your Dad, it must be tough.

Secondly, as has been said here by others, make the most of this time you have for both your benefits.

It is important to keep in mind that everyone is born to live a finite life and it is how we interact with each other during that time that is important.

Tell you dad how you feel about him, it will make him feel better and you will not be in the position later in life when you realise there are things you wanted to say but didn't, and I can tell you that those regrets are some of the hardest to deal with.

Finally, when you are with your Dad make sure you are visiting him and not the illness. All too often people that have a terminal illness want to enjoy what time they have. they are reminded daily of their prognosis whenever they take a pill, feel a pain or visit the doctor. What they need from their loved-ones is happiness.

So, in short, talk/share feelings and then remember "visit the patient, not the illness".

Good luck with everything. Smile
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi i'm the comic relief for the evening


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PostPosted: 21:02 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: Dad is not well, cant help but expect the worst. Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
My dad has angina pectoris, and has developed a weak heart valve. I dont know all the details as to be honest i'm a bit scared to ask, and i'd find myself internet researching it all the time which will create further worry.

Internet diagnosis is a bad thing, from a medical point of view. No-one posts on the internet to say "it was just a bit of indigestion" - all you get are the horror stories. Like product reviews (who ever says "yes, I thought it was quite good"?); the internet is biased towards the negative.

All I will say is this. I had an uncle who lived for decades on an artificial heart valve. His heart packed up in the end but he'd had an artificial valve as long as I knew him, and lived a pretty normal and comfortable life with it. Medical science has come a long way and heart problems aren't the death sentence they once were.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mum had angina; she carried the amyl nitrite spray for when she had a bad bout of it. It started when she was in her 50s, she died of pneumonia at the age of 73.

Speak to your dad; he might be grateful of the opportunity.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
All the best for you and your father.

Here's some advice: stop reading about it on the internet. In the past when certain members of my family have been ill, I've done the same. When my uncle got a certain very nasty disease, I spent hours reading about it online; everything you read is a horror story, nothing has a good ending. However, in real life, this is not the case. The only stories that make it to the net are the dramatic ones, just as is the case with the news; bad news sells, good news is boring, according to the news media. You hear about the psycho who killed a dog, but not about the kind gent who fed a stray dog.

My glandular fever was a case in point; when I was told what it was I looked it up. The internet told me it would last anywhere from 2-10 months, and I was pissed off. But it was gone in two weeks.

I'm afraid that's all I can say. Don't read the horror stories on the internet, just enjoy every day you can with your father. It may not end up as bad as you fear.


Well said sir!
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Benno wrote:
All the best for you and your father.

Here's some advice: stop reading about it on the internet. In the past when certain members of my family have been ill, I've done the same. When my uncle got a certain very nasty disease, I spent hours reading about it online; everything you read is a horror story, nothing has a good ending. However, in real life, this is not the case. The only stories that make it to the net are the dramatic ones, just as is the case with the news; bad news sells, good news is boring, according to the news media. You hear about the psycho who killed a dog, but not about the kind gent who fed a stray dog.

My glandular fever was a case in point; when I was told what it was I looked it up. The internet told me it would last anywhere from 2-10 months, and I was pissed off. But it was gone in two weeks.

I'm afraid that's all I can say. Don't read the horror stories on the internet, just enjoy every day you can with your father. It may not end up as bad as you fear.


Well said sir!
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I entirely disagree with those who say you shouldn't look at the internet, but you do need to know what to look for.

Over the last 6 or 7 years, I've had to deal with both my parents suffering from degenerative condtions and without the internet, I would've been totally in the dark, with no idea of what to expect.

This leaves you at a distinct disadvantage, when it comes to treatment and care; you will be reliant on medical staff to help you and whilst some of them are very good, lots of them aren't and you may well find yourself having to make important decisions without a good enough knowledge of the facts.

In addition, it will help you to care directly for your father, because you will have an idea of what is to come and what to do as the condition progresses (or stands still/improves).

So, look for medical fact websites, societies that deal with the specific ailment and blogs set up by sufferers.

Dealing with serious illness is tough enough, it doesn't help anyone to try and do it blindfolded, with one hand tied behind your back.
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suddenly - at some point in all our lives - we are faced with the certainty that not only our parents, but we ourselves are going to die - and there's fuck all we can do about that.

Its quite scary to realise that the people you have looked up to for almost your whole life, those towers of strength, power and authority, masters of your whole universe during your childhood, are actually only feeble humans with fickle bodies that let them down horrendously as they age.

And then when we see them "failing", we realise its going to happen to us, too.

The only way I have learnt to cope with this is to make light of it, and not to worry my socks off all the time, e.g.

The other day I had a conversation with my sister who (creeping up towards 50 this year) is having stomach bug problems, not keeping anything down, lack of appetite, large weight loss - and she says the doctor thinks it is "irritable bowel syndrome" so she has to go for an endoscopy. I pointed out to her something which neither of us wanted to examine too closely: that she should mention the fact that our maternal aunt had died of bowel cancer. She didn't even acknowledge what I had said, but went on to say "I wonder which one of us kids will 'go' first..."

The potential grimness of a statement like that caused me to just go into idiocy mode, so I said, "Well just because I am the oldest, doesn't mean I want to go first!"

And we left it at that...

Life, living, being ill, and dying is *fucking* hard.
Annoyingly, life is a terminal illness.

Angina can go on for years without anything major bad happening, its very uncomfortable; I'm glad I don't have to take that damn sublingual spray (yet) - it gives me horrendous headaches Mad

I hope you get to spend enough time with your dad before anything too serious happens to him xx
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
Dealing with serious illness is tough enough, it doesn't help anyone to try and do it blindfolded, with one hand tied behind your back.

My Mum passed away mid January (a week before her 92nd birthday) after suffering 18 months with multiple serious conditions, any one of which could have become fatal. Our GP said she had lived at least a year longer than anyone expected, basically because I was acting as her carer, knew what the danger signs of the various problems were, and wasn't shy about calling for a doctor or an ambulance if I thought her condition required it.

That said, treat most of the stuff you'll find on the internet as the worst case scenario: just because things can happen doesn't mean they will. My Mum lived around 20 years with a heart irregularity that had the doctors freaking out every time they checked her pulse or did an ECG, but which never caused her any problems.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

To update he had pain in his chest again this evening so he was taken to hospital. A dose of morphine and he looked and sounded just fine. He is currently waiting to see a doctor who will decide where to go from here.
Just got home, i'm trying not to get too upset about it. I'm just glad he is in good care now.

The most likely surgery will be a 'stent' inserted in the artery. I have no idea how serious that surgery is.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 27 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
To update he had pain in his chest again this evening so he was taken to hospital. A dose of morphine and he looked and sounded just fine. He is currently waiting to see a doctor who will decide where to go from here.
Just got home, i'm trying not to get too upset about it. I'm just glad he is in good care now.

The most likely surgery will be a 'stent' inserted in the artery. I have no idea how serious that surgery is.


All surgery has risks but a stent is generally not too bad and relief can be almost immediate.

My mum had one fitted last year in day surgery. It was put in through the thigh.
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 27 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also lol at Bazza rating this thread as funny.
I hope to god that karma comes around, and Bazza crashes his bike and breaks his neck. Forums biggest cunt Rolling Eyes

Thanks for the replies everyone though, it is reassuring.
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 27 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's up to you whether or not you read this, but it's from the British Heart Foundation, so no scaremongering or complex medical language.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/heart-health/treatment/coronary-angioplasty-and-stent.aspx

As cimbian says, it's considered pretty routine these days.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 27 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flatbadger wrote:
Alpha-9 wrote:

Hi i'm the comic relief for the evening

Looks like you may be getting a red nose rating up there Wink

EazyDuz is a leicester bro really, I have him on my facebook and everything, it's our prerogative to take the piss out of each other Thumbs Up

There's nothing you can do. Sure you can worry about it, research it, work yourself up into a frenzy, or you can just accept it. Whatever happens will happen regardless of what you do feel or say, so all you can do is accept it.
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