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PostPosted: 23:50 - 27 Feb 2013    Post subject: Egyptian Balloon crash Reply with quote
looks like the pilot and the guy that survived may have contributed to the accident

when I first seen it I assumed it happened after take-off
but apparently it happened on take-off and when the fire started the Pilot and the passenger that survived jumped out as the balloon was at 15 ft
there combined weight loss caused the balloon to shoot upwards while on fire before plummeting back to earth when the balloon burned and deflated
and reports say the pilot did not turn off the gas valve before he jumped out

this incident has caused me to reflect on some things I've did with my family while on holiday
and I'm thankful that I researched the "Adventure sports" activity's that I had planned
and only went with reputable company's with proven safety records
throwing your family off a 6500ft mountain on tandem para gliders is great fun
but it can be dangerous thats why I chose a company that used advanced instructors as pilot's
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm dyslexic sue me Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I'm dyslexic use me Laughing

Nah...thanks though.
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alternatively we could stick him on the "he has a disability let's euthanise him" band wagon. Wink
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PostPosted: 01:13 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Doesn't look particularly enjoyable
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: Egyptian Balloon crash Reply with quote
oldpink wrote:
apparently it happened on take-off and when the fire started the Pilot and the passenger that survived jumped out as the balloon was at 15 ft
there combined weight loss caused the balloon to shoot upwards while on fire before plummeting back to earth when the balloon burned and deflated


Wow, must be pretty horrific living with the guilt of that, plus all the hassle of Rhys Ifans trying to kiss you.
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PostPosted: 06:44 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I went up in a virgin Atlantic balloon a few years ago now but that was in this country, not sure I would have after seeing that
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I went up in a virgin Atlantic balloon a few years ago now but that was in this country, not sure I would have after seeing that


One balloon accident and you're terrified, your evaluation of risk is terrible! You ride a motorbike fer christsakes, in fact walking up and down your stairs is probably more dangerous per hour than a balloon ride...
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I went up in a virgin Atlantic balloon a few years ago now but that was in this country, not sure I would have after seeing that


One balloon accident and you're terrified, your evaluation of risk is terrible! You ride a motorbike fer christsakes, in fact walking up and down your stairs is probably more dangerous per hour than a balloon ride...


Yeah, but you're far more likely to survive a fall down the stairs than one from 1000ft in a ball of fire.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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A hot air balloon catches fire and crashes in Egypt, killing 19 tourists. It is believed that one if its cables made contact with a helium canister and subsequently started a fire. The balloon was actually coming in for a landing when this occurred at 40 feet elevation. The pilot and two other passengers made the decision to jump out at this time. Of these 3 people 2 survived the 40 foot fall. After this occurred the balloon shoots up into the sky. At 1000 feet (video cuts in) the balloon explodes and plummets to the ground. There were a total of 22 people in the balloon. Only the pilot, and a British tourist survived, although the tourists condition is unknown. This is believed to be the worst hot air balloon accident ever. For some context the Arabic individuals in this video are saying "Laa ilaha illa allah" (there is no god but God). This is the equivalent of a Westerner saying "oh my god".
(February 26th 2013. Luxor, Egypt)

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PostPosted: 10:25 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
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One balloon accident and you're terrified, your evaluation of risk is terrible! You ride a motorbike fer christsakes, in fact walking up and down your stairs is probably more dangerous per hour than a balloon ride...


Yeah, but you're far more likely to survive a fall down the stairs than one from 1000ft in a ball of fire.


No... You're far more likely to die falling down stairs than from a balloon (even when you factor in time spent on such activities). Sure, once the accident has begun you're probably more likely to survive the stairs but all your statement shows is that stairs are highly likely to injur as well as deadly.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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No... You're far more likely to die falling down stairs than from a balloon (even when you factor in time spent on such activities). Sure, once the accident has begun you're probably more likely to survive the stairs but all your statement shows is that stairs are highly likely to injur as well as deadly.


We're not factoring in anything.

a) Fall down stairs...% chance of dying?

b) Fall from 1000ft in a blazing balloon...% chance of dying?

But, if you then factor in the chance of falling in the first place, I'd still rather spend 70 years of going up and down stairs than going up in a balloon. Laughing

Unless I was allowed a parachute on my back. Then I'd go up daily, if the wage was good enough. I wouldn't stick a pillow down my pants for the stairs though.
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
You didn't study statistics did you Hetzer. Laughing

Out of all the balloon rides happening every day, what % of them turn into a ball of fire and kill almost everyone?

Out of all the stair usage, how many people fall down and die/seriously injure them self?

Same sort of thing with air travel. Just because when a plane does crash, it is horrific with hundreds of people dieing, doesn't mean you are more likely to die in a plane crash than driving a car.

The only way to lower the risk if you dieing is to not do anything.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You didn't study statistics did you Hetzer. Laughing

Out of all the balloon rides happening every day, what % of them turn into a ball of fire and kill almost everyone?

Out of all the stair usage, how many people fall down and die/seriously injure them self?

Same sort of thing with air travel. Just because when a plane does crash, it is horrific with hundreds of people dieing, doesn't mean you are more likely to die in a plane crash than driving a car.

The only way to lower the risk if you dieing is to not do anything.


And you didn't study my post, did you Artist. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And you didn't study my post, did you Artist. Laughing


Yes I did. I still think going up and down stairs for 70 years is more dangerous than going up in a balloon once. Even if you only went up a flight of stairs twice a day.

Not that any of this matters. If you lived life thinking all of these things, you wouldn't move, but then you might get ill or something.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Please... Hetzer is only taking into account the time when an incident DOES happen.

If 1 fall down the stairs and 1 fall in a baloon occurs then which are you more likely to survive...

Amount of possible incidents is not part of the point Hetz is trying to make Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Artist wrote:
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And you didn't study my post, did you Artist. Laughing


Yes I did. I still think going up and down stairs for 70 years is more dangerous than going up in a balloon once. Even if you only went up a flight of stairs twice a day.

Not that any of this matters. If you lived life thinking all of these things, you wouldn't move, but then you might get ill or something.


I understand the statistical point you're trying to make and I'm ignoring it. The point I'm trying to make is if I have zero control over the outcome of an accident I'm not going to put myself in line for having it, not for the sake of some momentary pleasure. I have fallen down stairs, or at least I would have if I hadn't taken immediate action to save myself. I would have no such option in a balloon, I'd be just another helpless mug waiting to die. And I don't care if the chances of the balloon going wrong are hundreds of thousands to one, all I care about is not being in one when it does.
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I've done bungee jumps and skydives but I would never do a balloon ride.

Not even because of "omfg what if something goes wrong", just sustained durtions at stupid heights in a fucking basket seems counter-intuitive to my survival. I would spend the duration of the ride in the fetal position blubbing like a baby Laughing Laughing

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I've done bungee jumps and skydives but I would never do a balloon ride.

Not even because of "omfg what if something goes wrong", just sustained durtions at stupid heights in a fucking basket seems counter-intuitive to my survival. I would spend the duration of the ride in the fetal position blubbing like a baby Laughing Laughing

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What about a zeppelin ride? A bit more substantial than a basket!
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
haroman666 wrote:
Please... Hetzer is only taking into account the time when an incident DOES happen.

If 1 fall down the stairs and 1 fall in a baloon occurs then which are you more likely to survive...

Amount of possible incidents is not part of the point Hetz is trying to make Thumbs Up


I thought that was too obvious to need explaining.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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We're not factoring in anything.

a) Fall down stairs...% chance of dying?

b) Fall from 1000ft in a blazing balloon...% chance of dying?

But, if you then factor in the chance of falling in the first place, I'd still rather spend 70 years of going up and down stairs than going up in a balloon. Laughing

Unless I was allowed a parachute on my back. Then I'd go up daily, if the wage was good enough. I wouldn't stick a pillow down my pants for the stairs though.


Balloons are kinda dangerous, you can tell by the fact you need near perfect weather conditions in which to go up in one. Also the fact there is no real backup is something goes wrong.

Your engines die on a plane, paramotor, microlight or what not, you can still glide to safety.

Your main fails on a skydive, you have your reserve and AAD.

Your paraglider wing collaspes, you have a (round) reserve on your thigh.




BTW there is having a parachute and knowing how to use it. round ones have a bone jutting out of flesh type injuries. Squares tend to have collisions and gift wraps.
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I tripped and nearly fell down a flight of concrete stairs in a tenement yesterday. I was shaking and had to have a fag.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Another thing with all this stats rubbish and percentage of dying is my own competency at doing these activities. I am not a retard and successfully navigate stairs many times a day, if I trip, my reactions can save me. If they don't then it's still going to be a very small % chance of me landing on my head and killing myself.

If I'm in a balloon, there is fuck all I can do if something goes wrong! It's the same with planes, people say you are more likely to die doing XYZ activity than flying on a plane, yes, but in that one plane crash you might possibly ever be in, you're dead!

If I am going to die, I want it to be my own fault, no-one elses!
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