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 Posted: 20:03 - 05 Mar 2013  Post subject: The balance of wealth in the US |
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Really interesting infographic video showing how the whole of US society (regardless of political or societal choice) thinks wealth is divided in their country. And then it shows how the wealth is really divided.
Presumably there will be something of a similar distribution in the UK?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QPKKQnijnsM |
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Any of the usual capitalist cheerleading fuckwits still want to tell me a cap on personal incomes is a bad idea? Oh, you think it's not that bad in the UK? How much not badder?
That is a fucking obscenity. While the poorest in this country are taking the biggest hits of anybody. Those with the least available to lose are having the most taken off them, while the likes of Cameron and Osbourne, a pair of been-nowhere, done-nothing, rich-boy parasites, live the lives of o'reilly and destroy the lives of millions.
Seriously, we need a major cataclysm, some kind of global catastrophe, to bring this rotten-to-the-core sewer to total collapse.
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Something will change eventually. The London riots were brushed under the carpet when they happened, but there was a lot of meaning to that event. It was the start of a rather discontent society rising up and saying 'no' to the general shitness they hadn't created but were being forced to put up with. People said it was just unruly kids, but that's only because the older people are so tethered by the things they think they need from the state - job, money, work, etc - so the only ones left to do any fighting were the youngsters, who tend to do things with a lot more reckless abandon because at that age there's less of a connection to society, whether you're a good or a bad kid.
I'd be willing to say that things may appear to get better again on the surface, but the rich minority will still continue to exist, and grow, and it'll all happen again, but worse.
Best analogy I can think for the capitalist system is as follows:
Consider a tree in a tub of water. The water is used, and, no matter the size of the tub, eventually the water runs out. This is the capitalist model. Every spending chain sees a rise in price at each stage. Hence money goes up, and up, and up, to the top. It's utterly unsustainable, and frankly makes no sense. Money is a ridiculous concept. All this talk of trillions and billions and gazillions, etc. I wonder how much of it actually exists? Probably only a fraction of it. Hence money is an illusion for control. This is all on a large scale, of course.
Capitalism used to work quite well, but it's kind of reaching it's peak now.
I don't care a jot for communistic ideals or whatever, but Marx is clearly right. As the world advances, it's clear that automation and availability will reduce the need to work, yet we're still expected to work regardless. It's production and consumerism through culture, rather than necessity.
Sod it, here's a blog post I made in my Internet activist days:
https://stuartaitken.wordpress.com/2011/05/10/an-attempt-at-justifying-my-loss-on-the-concept-of-capitalism/ |
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| Hetzer wrote: | Any of the usual capitalist cheerleading fuckwits still want to tell me a cap on personal incomes is a bad idea? Oh, you think it's not that bad in the UK? How much not badder?
That is a fucking obscenity. While the poorest in this country are taking the biggest hits of anybody. Those with the least available to lose are having the most taken off them, while the likes of Cameron and Osbourne, a pair of been-nowhere, done-nothing, rich-boy parasites, live the lives of o'reilly and destroy the lives of millions.
Seriously, we need a major cataclysm, some kind of global catastrophe, to bring this rotten-to-the-core sewer to total collapse. |
Income caps won't help. You get wealthy by making your income as low as possible and getting renumeration as perks. Stock options, company panes cars houses, fuel and travel allownaces, pay me less but give my wife and kids a salary etc.
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Well the western world is quickly turning into an M shaped society.
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Those with the least available to lose are having the most taken off them, while the likes of Cameron and Osbourne, a pair of been-nowhere, done-nothing, rich-boy parasites, live the lives of o'reilly and destroy the lives of millions.
Seriously, we need a major cataclysm, some kind of global catastrophe, to bring this rotten-to-the-core sewer to total collapse. |
It is happening because when a lot of big business is doing is super short term and is is inherently self destructive. It is like Oroboros the snake which consumes its own tail.
Companies want to save money so they outsource, automate, they forget or ignore that employees and staff with wages also form much of their consumer base. Unfortunately they think it is somebody else's problem
So while shipping a ton of jobs to India saves them money in the short term and gives them a boost in profits.
It means people at home have less money because they are unemployed and buy less stuff, killing the profits.
Its a cycle of death, where companies see lower profits so cut costs even more, lay offs, automation. So the public have less money.
Consider why Asian countries have massive massive massive tarrifs on goods made overseas. They want to protect their workforces.
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Does wealth inequality actually mean much now that the pie is so huge?
For instance, despite the "wealth gap" being bigger than ever before, in terms of the actual material goods and services people have access to, the people have more than ever before.
I know shit loads of poor people on the dole, with massive TV's, gaming consoles etc. Flights and holidays can be had for a few hundred quid. Loads of doley mates are rocking the latest iphones etc etc....
I'm a student with a total income of around £7.5k a year. I get no money from parents, student loan is my entire income for the year. Despite this, I still manage to buy myself a gaming pc, go abroad several times a year, go to festivals around Europe etc etc.
I have a wicked, action-packed life despite having a relatively tiny income by UK standards. |
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| smegballs wrote: | Does wealth inequality actually mean much now that the pie is so huge?
For instance, despite the "wealth gap" being bigger than ever before, in terms of the actual material goods and services people have access to, the people have more than ever before.
I know shit loads of poor people on the dole, with massive TV's, gaming consoles etc. Flights and holidays can be had for a few hundred quid. Loads of doley mates are rocking the latest iphones etc etc....
I'm a student with a total income of around £7.5k a year. I get no money from parents, student loan is my entire income for the year. Despite this, I still manage to buy myself a gaming pc, go abroad several times a year, go to festivals around Europe etc etc.
I have a wicked, action-packed life despite having a relatively tiny income by UK standards. |
A poor person here with no income is starving, or living of granny. There is a pension for the old but like R1200 per month or something. No welfare. No council housing.
Some will have flat screens. Stolen from breaking in to whitey's home. But they never steal food. It is not so much the poorest blacks steaing, but more well off blacks who then sell it cheap to poor blacks.
If you go for holidays, buy consumer goods that aren't essential, you are not poor. You live better than when I was a student
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Calm down, hippes. Once you get past a certain point, "wealth" is just a number in a database. They can't possibly use the bulk of it to buy anything that you or I would want.
Buying tosspot art and chucking it straight in a bank vault is just a way of shuffling numbers around, it doesn't actually reduce what's available for the likes of us. If you took their "money" (i.e. numbers) and distributed it around the huddled masses, we wouldn't be any better off because we'd just charge each other more for our goods and services.
tl;dr uber rich hoarders are a handy deflationary measure.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Calm down, hippes. Once you get past a certain point, "wealth" is just a number in a database. They can't possibly use the bulk of it to buy anything that you or I would want.
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Well duh, yeah. The point is that up until that "certain point" they're buying a shedload of stuff that every one of us would like too...decent medical care, decent dental care, decent optical care, decent food, decent surroundings, decent mental-health benefits and a bunch of other stuff that prolongs their lives in very very good order.
For which they do a shedload less work than those who have relatively nothing do.
The rich aren't rich because they work harder, they're rich because they are vicious sociopathic exploitative parasites who manipulate the system they created in order to have the biggest and the bestest and the mostest of everything while contributing the leastest.
If we exterminated every one of them, and eradicated their genes from the pool, the world would be a far happier place. Immeasurably happier.
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| smegballs wrote: | What do you consider to be rich/wealthy Hetzer?
For me rich is someone on 100k+ but still needs to work to maintain their (admittedly high) standard of living.
Wealthy is someone who could stop all work right this minute and still have enough in the bank to live out the rest of their lives in the lap of luxury.
Even a millionaire isn't actually that rich these days. Things like house prices also confuse the issue. Lots of people could sell their 350k house and have all that cash in the bank, but if they want to have another house, they too have to play the high cost of housing so that 350k isn't actually worth much if you don't want to be a hobo. |
Obscenely rich is having more in hand than could be spent in the rest of a lifetime, even if multiple houses were bought.
Wealthy is having the best of everything on a regular basis, short of multiple houses.
And both of the above without having to do 40 hours per week of course.
I don't envy any rich person who is rich only so long as he's doing 40 hours per week of real work. That's not really rich, not if you have all the money but little chance to enjoy it.
But then we get into definitions of 'work'. A lot of rich people pretend to work, but they're actually doing bugger all, they're just posing and feeding their egos off the attention of their employees. Pop stars, sports stars and film stars, they don't work, they get paid obscene amounts of money for the pleasure of having their egos fed. I know it's said they give pleasure to millions, but it's an accidental byproduct of them pleasuring themselves in the occupation they've been lucky enough to find. Intent is everything.
The graph of wealth distribution should be on an extremely modest inclination, if not completely flat. But unfortunately we have to give consideration to human nature. But there's consideration and there's the obscene pisstake we have now. It needs to end.
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Are you retarded? Billions are malnourished or starving because of the system these scum have created. Dire poverty is a direct result of the few having the biggest and the bestest and the mostest of everything at the expense of the many. It's a system-failure of the first magnitude, if you believe a system should give everyone an equal chance of happiness.
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