Guitar player needs help...

[RhynoCZ]

Hi, I was just wondering, if there's any guitar player who'd helped me. I'm trying to get 80's lead rock/hair metal sound out of my guitar, it's a cheap Cort M200 through Cry Baby GCB-95, UM100 and DD-6 to the Marshall MG15CD. I play about 7 yrs and right now I can't ride my bike, so I thought I'd get an new pedal

I was thinking of ProCo RAT, but some say the modern version is not that good as the old one
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[The Shaggy D.A.]

Your idea of "80's lead rock/hair metal sound" might be different to mine - name a track that has the sound you're after, and we might be able to narrow it down a tad.
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[RhynoCZ]

Right now I've got on my mind '85 ,,Lay it down'' by Ratt, the initial riff there and the solo. I don't have that kind of money to just buy whatever pedal I want and try to find the sound. I've got to feed my NC27
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[angryjonny]

Why not get a multi-effects pedal? That way you can dial in as much gain, reverb, delay etc as you want using just the one box.

[RhynoCZ]

[swampy]

A quick google brings up Warren DeMartini as one of Ratts guitarists during that period. Googling his rig brings up this....

https://www.woodytone.com/2010/01/04/warren-demartinis-1987-ratt-rig-part-1/
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[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

If you want super crunchy gain saturation (which can be backed off to a less filthy but still gutsy tone) it's got to be a 50w JCM800 - the combos are sweet, but they're best running a 4x12 cab (preferably w/ 25w celestions in it). This will give you more thrunch than you'll know what to do with. Fantastic sound, imo. That solid state MG15 ain't even going to get close.
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[RhynoCZ]

Wow, stop right there mates, I don't have that kind of money

I found that Yamaha SPX-90 used in Ratt's records and it looks like something that I hate the most, just a bunch of buttons and small display and it's quite pricey and rare.

Link for that effect: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-SPX-90-Digital-Sound-Processor-Vintage-Rack-100-Volt-/170598855366?pt=US_Signal_Processors_Rack_Effects&hash=item27b87bf2c6

About the JCM800, it costs 1265GBP here and I didn't even looked at the cabinet.

I just play by myself at home, for fun, on mid-low budget, the guitar I use is a 150GBP piece of wood
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[angryjonny]

[RhynoCZ]

[The Shaggy D.A.]

It was a fireplace

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Special
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[pits]

I just turn everything upto 11, because it's like one more than 10.
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[ajbsmirnoff]

Get a cheapo usb interface from ebay. Many copies of the basic behringer usb interface device are available for a tenner from China.

Download one of the many pc based effects packages - most are available as a demo (or five fingered discount). Google 'amplitube', 'TH2' or 'native instruments guitar rig', or similar.

Try out endless hardware to your hearts content

Total outlay £10 to whatever the sofware costs you.
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[Frog]

I use:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/guitar_effects/zoom/707_ii_guitar/index.html

This fits the description of "a bunch of buttons and small display", but I only ever use the presets, and there's quite a few of them, so you don't need to spend any time learning how to make it work

Came in at £80, includes a built-in amp so you can just use headphones if you want, and makes me sound like a rock god which I certainly am not

Well worth the money... I'm not likey to ever buy a separate pedal, as I just don't need one.

They do look cool though
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[unitynotsocri...]

guitar rig is great,but a fecker to register.I'm through with Guitar rig,its very good but try peavy revalver and others,forget about the analouge stomp boxes.unless you have silly money,a valve pre amp/compressor may be far more versatile than wanking along to some brand name amp/cab setup.

Not saying dont get good gear but try and stay away from retrowank gear and concentrate on pickups/guitar/pre amp and effects rather than expecting some modern fake to sound like some old low qual shite anolouge fake.

people dont realise about old gear.......you hear em say things like 'this one is special' or 'never found another that sounds like this' etc.........the same is true of Morriss Marina's and Leyland Sherpa vans..............because standards are so pisspoor and most of it was made by trade unionists ,,one that works and lasts are rare.

come across many pissed off muso's who've just had their old amps 'serviced' ,only to find its 'messed' with their sound.

you may do better playing around with special valves in pre amps to get that 'sound'..........just don't try to get that 'sound' by listening to mp3 quality.
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[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

[RhynoCZ]

I don't like those play through your computer things, I might be young, but I'm quite old fashioned

So valves in the pre-amp it is, there are some cheap heads and combos but those are like 1-5w units, is that enough?
As I've mentioned above, I've got a bike to feed, so I can't really spend the whole budget on some wall of cabinets with 6 heads and only one of them plugged, like a pro.

EDIT: I checked the internet, and wow, lot's of things have changed since I've started my guitar ''hobby'' 7 yrs ago, for that kind of money I got MG15 I can have today quite interesting things, but nothing I'd liked, yet.
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[unitynotsocri...]

without getting too complicated TEFLONMIKE DONT YOU TOUCH THAT KEYBOARDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!.

Modern digital modelling is fantastic.Guitar Rig is great (but bstrds wont let me register s/h copy from shop) as are others.

modern digitial interfaces for music /guitar use 24 bit sound,much higher quality,and much lower latency (sound lag).The audio quality of amp/cab/head/mic models is clean and superior.

The main input to a sound is the pickup,pre amp,then amp,all of these stages can be tweaked.
By concentrating on the origional sound source for the gain and punch you can play far more in the feedback and distortion zones,combining a small valve preamp /compressor with a 24 bit usb card you can record and play in studio quality sound,you may even find that the limiting factor for sound quality will be your speakers or headphones,and all for about 50 squids upwards.

you can get a usb lead with software from about 20 squids upwards but remember with a usb/24 bit interface you could save a fortune on pedals and play and gig with a netbook,a netbook full of 60 years of amps/cabs/effects etc that would cost millions to buy and weeks to manually use.....

finally,AND MOST IMPORTANTLY a great thing with 24 bit usb interfaces and emulation software is that it will have you musically wandering in places and spaces where you'd never have gone,or would of but taken years to find a particular sound.It will improve your playing,tone and intonation and finger control and have you suprising yourself playing genres/styles/sounds you'd never have though you'd like!

And without zillions of pounds,9 volt batteries,floor contollers and wire designed to break ya feckin neck in the dark on stage,or a suitcase full of hammerd effects pedals and suspect short jack leads...........less soldering in the long run[img][/img][img][/img]
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[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

I've got a Pod - use it all the time. But that's cos I don't play live any more. If I did, there's no way I'd go near the fecker. It'd be my 2x12 JMP combo every time. In fact, tbh, mic'ing that gets a loads better tone to tape / HD than going direct through some sort of digital analogue modeller. However, the latter tends to be loads quicker - and I'm such a lazy wanker these days that I can seldom be Aristotled with mic and eq futzing in the pursuit of pure tone. Just dial it in on the Pod innit.
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[RhynoCZ]

Well, you certainly got me thinking lads.

I'd like to have an old piece of equipment, as always, so I'm gonna try to find some used stuff at first.

I definitely won't go the way with my PC in it, even though it sounds great to have all these ''fake'' digital effects based on legendary units that I'd never gonna have, I just don't like that idea, I had some multi-effects and it made me lazy and bored of playing, so many options and settings, that I only used factory pre-sets, got through the whole list of pre-sets, turned it off and put the guitar back to its stand. Right now I've got boss micro-br unit, I though I could do some records back then and now I'm even lazy to sell it, it's still a great small machine to play with, if you use your headphones, the only way how can I have stereo output, it comes with a manual so long, that even some books could be ashamed. I've spend lot's of time with that little thing and I still don't know how its all features work, it can do a MP3 from what ever you record to its SD card, but I forgot how, and so on

Beware of those toys

EDIT: It might be off topic, but I found Alesis Qudraverb GT for only 65GBP, I've never had a reverb before, well none that I'd like to use, anyone has any experience with this one? I mean, it's the same money/even less than as for a standart ''brand new pedal'' reverb.
https://www.pdmcauley.co.uk/guitaristpages/amp/alesis_quadraverb_gt.gif
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[oldpink]

Alesis Quadraverb is a great box but a bit old now
I have one that I used to use for vocal's but occasionally for a guitar EFX as well as it has decent delay's chorus & phase as well as reverb

but it a vocal unit not a guitar efx at the end of the day
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[P.addy]

The MG15 is holding you back.

They were so cheap it is unreal, grab a Line6 GX and use that, every sound you could dream of for £60, run it through your MG on a clean setting.

[krarkol]

distortion + chorus + optional phaser/flanger = 80's
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[oldpink]

I (Ahem) obtained a copy of GR5 and installed it tonight very nice
and I'm (Ahem) obtaining a copy of Sonar 8.5 to upgrade my version 8 as I want session drummer 3 (its way cool)
then I can get down to some recording
still can't get a copy of pro tools that works with my M Audio 1010 though
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[ajbsmirnoff]

Well, if you don't want a shop full of gear for free via your pc,
for the Ratt sound, get an ibanez tubescreamer pedal (a Tokai metaldriver is a good copy), feed the output into a Boss HM2 and feed that into a marshal amp (via a digital delay to taste, and flange to be George Lynch, at least for a while). 80s fizz.

I'd thoroughly recommend an old tubescreamer pedal anyway - they are very good at thickening your signal before feeding it into an amp, or adding oomph to your distortion. On their own they do every thing from 'barely there' overdrive to hard rock.

If you stick to "valve amps or nowt', I think its a bit like saying 'I'm happy with this single overdrive pedal's tone and nothing else'. Sure its easier to rock up to a jam with an amp, a lead, and your guitar - job done ! But at home while noodling - the pc alternative gives you every sound you could ever want.

The reason why I took to software amp simulation was the ability to jump from various Marshall amps to a Roland Jazz to a Soldano to a Mesa boogie to various Fender amps...... and back. I feed my guitar rig output through a hifi or a marshall acoustic amp - don't try to feed it through a normal guitar amp or it'll reek of poo they need a flat response amp). For added coolness, I added a Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller to add 10 foot switches and 2 expression pedals for the wah/volume/whammy use.

I too had a digital multi effects foot pedal (a Zoom 2020 !!) and once I'd played through the presets, I did the same as you. Put it away.= and got my stomp boxes back out. Amp simulation is mucho better these days.

Go on, give it a try. Guitar Rig, Amplitube, TH2, GTR, revalver. Each has a different style of interface - you'd get along with at least one of them.