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toppetsaha
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: 250cc does not go over 35 mph Reply with quote

Another problem with my Honda CB250N 1995...

When riding the bike seems to be stuck at 30mph uphill, 35mph on flat and 40mph down hill. However there does not seem to be any lag within the rev range.

I have already established that it is not a fuel breather problem or a problem with fuel leaving the tank.

My only guess is some sort of carburetor restrictor is blocking the flow.

Thanks in advance for relpys.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

what are the valve clearances like ?
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
what are the valve clearances like ?


I havent checked but the bike starts fine cold or warm
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

have you checked the clutch might be slipping as this would cause the speed issue
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a fuel filter in the petrol tap. Have you checked this?
Switch the fuel to OFF. Then unscrew the big nut at the bottom of the fuel tap - gently it's only soft aluminium. Make sure you remember how it fits in place. Check the filter.
Gently re-fit, being careful to get it back in properly.

These bikes can get to 80mph, but they are happier at 60-65.

I've owned 2 of these in the last 10 years, so I know my way round them. I might be able to help if you are anywhere near Rugby.

Is this the same bike with poor electrics? Could that be the problem (weak spark)?

If you do check the valves be very careful when refitting the cylinder head cover as the threads strip very very easily.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

numpty2 wrote:
There is a fuel filter in the petrol tap. Have you checked this?
Switch the fuel to OFF. Then unscrew the big nut at the bottom of the fuel tap - gently it's only soft aluminium. Make sure you remember how it fits in place. Check the filter.
Gently re-fit, being careful to get it back in properly.

These bikes can get to 80mph, but they are happier at 60-65.

I've owned 2 of these in the last 10 years, so I know my way round them. I might be able to help if you are anywhere near Rugby.

Is this the same bike with poor electrics? Could that be the problem (weak spark)?

If you do check the valves be very careful when refitting the cylinder head cover as the threads strip very very easily.


Didnt know about the filter, i will check it tomorrow.

Yes it is the same bike, i dont think it is a weak spark issue as it was riding the same before the problem with the electrics cropped up.

Unfortunatly i live in wiltshire, thanks anyway.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is number 6 on this drawing:

https://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/26/Type/FUEL_TANK/MakeID/1/Make/Honda/YearID/42/Year/2001/ModelID/7336/Model/CB250/GroupID/320086/Group/FUEL_TANK

Be gentle!


And of course there is the air filter. This is a big papery thing. You can get replacements, but often it can benefit from blasting back though with compressed air, or maybe even hoovering. It might be worth changing if it is of unknown age:

https://www.wemoto.com/bikes/honda/cb_250_m_n_p_r_t_w_x_y_1_two_fifty_mc26/91-03/picture/air_filter_honda_oem/


What do the spark plugs look like?
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

suzukirider1987 wrote:
have you checked the clutch might be slipping as this would cause the speed issue


I wouldnt of thought so, when hitting 30/35mph ect it seems to run out of steam. There is also no jerking/reving when it would of slipped.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a thought.

Might be worth checking the choke mechanism is working. Reason being, I had the choke on my 250 working its way from the off position to the half-choke position. It's the plunger type. Took me a minute to suss what had happened. Similar results to what you are experiencing.
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toppetsaha
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

numpty2 wrote:
It is number 6 on this drawing:

https://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/26/Type/FUEL_TANK/MakeID/1/Make/Honda/YearID/42/Year/2001/ModelID/7336/Model/CB250/GroupID/320086/Group/FUEL_TANK

Be gentle!


And of course there is the air filter. This is a big papery thing. You can get replacements, but often it can benefit from blasting back though with compressed air, or maybe even hoovering. It might be worth changing if it is of unknown age:

https://www.wemoto.com/bikes/honda/cb_250_m_n_p_r_t_w_x_y_1_two_fifty_mc26/91-03/picture/air_filter_honda_oem/


What do the spark plugs look like?


Brilliant, will look at that tomorrow.

I have already taken the air filter out and hoovered it..... a couple of times now

It got a bit dark today by the time i got round to checking the plugs, they looked fairly new but i will take them out tomorrow,clean them & check the sparks.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

HT wrote:
Just a thought.

Might be worth checking the choke mechanism is working. Reason being, I had the choke on my 250 working its way from the off position to the half-choke position. It's the plunger type. Took me a minute to suss what had happened. Similar results to what you are experiencing.


Yea mines the same type. i did try pushing it down whilst riding, the bracket may be bent tho. Will add that to my list Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The choke cables on these can cause problems. Cable routing is a bit tight and some people have issues with the engine cutting out on full steering lock (when this pulls the choke cable and the choke goes on).
Check that the choke outer sleeve is properly seated at the carb.

But I'd check the fuel filter first, it is easy & quick to do.

If you do decide to strip the carb down, this might help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIa23_0Hn9I
But this will be the USA version, and the UK one has some differences, perhaps just the jet sizes.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

numpty2 wrote:
The choke cables on these can cause problems. Cable routing is a bit tight and some people have issues with the engine cutting out on full steering lock (when this pulls the choke cable and the choke goes on).
Check that the choke outer sleeve is properly seated at the carb.

But I'd check the fuel filter first, it is easy & quick to do.

If you do decide to strip the carb down, this might help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIa23_0Hn9I
But this will be the USA version, and the UK one has some differences, perhaps just the jet sizes.


Im not too sure about stripping the carb, the ratio screw settings confuse me a little, plus i wouldnt want to create more problems than i already have.

Cheers for the vid anyway, i ll that to my CB collection Cool
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you. I have only had to strip a carb once, about 20 years ago. They are full of delicate little bits unsuited to my hamfisted mitts. Stripping a carb is a last resort as far as I am concerned. There is a high probability of losing bits or having bits left over.

You could try a carb cleaner first anyway:
https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_202903_langId_-1_categoryId_255221

or the USA guys like Seafoam, but I don't know where you would get this in the UK:
https://www.ehow.co.uk/how_8685128_use-seafoam-motorcycles.html
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 09 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i did give it a go before on a moped... didnt go very well...

I have considered the carburetor cleaner, will check the free options first tho Wink

That sea foam stuff looks like a mix between fuel conditioner and 2 stroke! trust the yanks...
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