Flying over the bonnet of a car is quite an experience

[The Dude]

On my way to work tonight. I was 10 seconds from work and there was a car infront of me turning left. I slowly over took him and some dude came out of the same side road turning right and i went right into the front side of him. I know he seen me because he told me he did. He just kept edging out into the middle of the road. My leg is a little sore and the front light of the bike is bashed in. I didn't really get a good look at the bike to see the full extent of the damage. Here comes another nice bill that i hadn't planned for. What is it with car drivers pulling out infront of us?

[pope]

hey dude, bad news on the crash.Still could have been worse eh?
I read a good article in bike magazine about the massive blackspots caused by oversize "A" pillars. As usual the occupants get safer and f**k everybody else.Having said that we have to help ourselves as much as we can.We all know that the majority of bike/car incidents occus at junctions and we have to be very aware of this. Safety Fast.

[The Dude]

Indeed Pope. Luckly i was only doing 25 mph or so. Probably not even that because i slowed down because the car infront was turning left. I put the brakes on pretty lightly but because the roads are very slippy now the wheels locked and i just kept going straight forward. I pushed the bike up the road to where i work and left it there. I'll get it picked up in the morning and should have a better idea of the damage. I've only had the bloody thing 8 months brand new. It gets better. It's an Aprilia
I think the guy in the car is under the impression that it is my fault because i overtook a car that was turning left. There was lots of traffic behind me though. He still shouldn't have pulled out while traffic was on-coming. I bet he was looking left to see if there was traffic coming the other way.

[pope]

It's a difficult one.I can see you're going to have endless fun with the insurance.This is probably the most dangerous time of year.Always dark and wet. Where i live you have to ride ten miles or so over mountain roads above 1600 feet just to get to the nearest town. I was out earlier, bit icy but not too bad.It's not so bad, weve got an old range rover to even up the odds when its very slippy. My bike is a TDM850 which is very good in awkward places.Loads of visibility and control.

[The Dude]

To be honest i think i'll leave the insurance out of it. It's not worth it in the end. It's probably only a few hundred pounds worth of damage. I'll know better tomorrow when i see the bike again

[zaknafien]

[The Dude]

Yeah. I did a 180 right over the bonnet and landed on my back. I had a back pack on with waterproof gear in it as well as my Belstaff jacket on. Thats probably what saved me for the most part. I bet it looked fantastic though.lol. Never thought of myself as a stuntman.. I think i'll change my name to Hooper. Anyone remember that movie?lol

[headlamp]

[The Dude]

Well there were lots of witnesses but they all just drove off after a minute or so. As far as my position on the road goes. It is one of those roads with a part in the middle fulled in with diagonal while lines. I can't remember if i was in that part or not. He said i was and thats why he came out.lol. He said "I wasn't expecting you to go around the car". Even so. There was on coming traffic and just because the the scooter and car infront of me were turning into the street he came out off doesn't mean he had the right to pull out. He should have waited untill the road was clear surely. We are probably both at fault to be honest. he has my name and address and telephone number and i have his. I don't carry my insurance stuff around with me. I'm happy to leave the insurance out of it and he said the same. I'm sure it will cost more to fix my bike but i'd rather do it myself than lose my no claims bonus and all that.

[stryker]

"I wasn't expecting <insert excuse here>" is bullshit. That is not an excuse for anything. I mean, he sees kids at a crossing, does he not expect them to run out? Get the picture?
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[mrchips]

Sorry to hear about the crash, I'm nearly expecting one in these hectic conditions. Regarding the car driver, you should do the traditional Belfast thing and a)do his windees or/and b)do his knees.

[Villers]

This is probably going to make me unpopular, but... isn't this exactly the reason why your not supposed to overtake at or approaching a junction?

[headlamp]

[bazza]

According to the HC, if the turning had lines, it doesn't matter that you were overtaking a car turning left - he was in the wrong and you should claim against his insurance:

"You MUST stop behind the line at a junction with a 'Stop' sign and a solid white line across the road. Wait for a safe gap in the traffic before you move off.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 16"

and

"The approach to a junction may have a 'Give Way' sign or a triangle marked on the road. You MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1), reg 16(1) & 25"

Don't take any crap about what he "thought" you were going to do, claim for all your costs, including replacement of safety clothing, hours lost at work, hire of replacement vehicle etc.
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[Villers]

When i say about not overtaking at junctions, im not talking about legalities. If any of you out there have taken part in 'bikesafe' this year you'll know that the thing they keep drumming into you is never to overtake at or approaching a junction. Then you see the pictures of where bikers have been killed and almost all of them are at junctions. As for blame and insurance and all that stuff, it would be little compensation if the collision had put you under the wheels of an oncoming vehicle. think on.

[The Dude]

Thanks for the advice guys. It gets better. He phoned me this morning to see if i was ok. So i said to him. How would you like to handle this? He gave a little laugh and said. I don't mean to be nasty craig mate, but i was in my lane and you were on the wrong side of the road.lol. The only reason i started to edge to the right was because he was edging out into the road and then at the last minute i tried to swerve to avoid him. He's trying to say i hit him head on but the damage to his car is on the front right corner. I called the police stright away after that and gave a report. The police have spoke to him and seen his car. I went up to work to see my bike today. It's a mess. Front fairing cracked and smashed. Both side fairings cracked off the frame and smashed up a bit. Petrol tank bend off to one side. God knows what else. He's said that the car that was infront of me flashed him out. The car infront of me was also turning left, why would you flash someone out if you were turning left. I was gonna try to be nice about it but after he blamed it on me, screw him. I'm taking it the whole way. I am sore all over now and i have no transport to get to work on Monday night, or any night for that matter. I'm limping around like a gimp here. Thanks again guys

[CBRPETER]

sounds like a a fair bit of damage. As long as he was in fault there shouldn't be any problems.
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[Villers]

Thats really shitty mate, dont let him wriggle. As far as I know just because someone flashes you out it doesnt make it ok to do so. I think if he's been flashed out then he's in the wrong legally.

[iCraig]

Ah, the old flashing of headlights.

People seem to think it gives them right of way, which of course it doesn't.

From what I read too, it is wholly his fault. He shouldn't have pulled out till the car had made its turn into the road and cleared the main road completely. As the car driver may have had his/her indicator on by accident and didn't mean to turn, thats why they always say to wait till the vehicle actually makes it manouvre.

[The Dude]

Thanks for the support guys. Believe me i need it. And as far as i know, it's only legal to flash your lights at on-coming traffic if you are warning them of a hazard they are about to arrive at. Thing is though, the car infront of me that apparently flashed it lights (i never seen any lights flashing) was turning into the street that the guy who hit me was coming out of.

[loply]

Yeah to repeat what someone else said, I hate to sound unpopular... But overtaking at a junction = Your fault, legally anyway.
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[mchaggis]

[EuropeanNC30R...]

I think if it's case B then it's got to be the car drivers fault, the insurance should pay out no problems.

[The Dude]

Thanks Mchaggis. Case B is pretty much what happened. Except i was a lot closer to the middle of the road because as i seen him edge out i put more distance between him and i to avoid him. Then he just came right out. He is saying i was on the other side of the road and i probably was at the last minute. But i was only there trying to avoid him. There was still traffic behind me. He seen the 2 vehicles infront of me aboout to turn left and he tried to take advantage of the gap in traffic. Idiot

[Zero-G]