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Retro-Man
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 20 Nov 2004    Post subject: Hazard Perception test Reply with quote

Took my theory test this morning, started badly when the chap on reception told me that as I had been driving so long I might struggle with the hazard perception part. He advised me on the QT to click several times every hazard I saw.

results:

Multiple Choice 100% 35 out of 35

Hazard Perception 43 marks, needed 44 FAILED.

Now after 10 years of driving a cage I Find this a little upsetting.

during a chat afterwards with the reception clerk, I found out that I was clicking when I percieve the hazard which was prior to when a novice driver would notice the hazard.

My Conclusion:
The hazard part of the test does not test hazard perception but only tests if you have been properly trained to click at an appropriate time during the test. It fits novice drivers/riders well but those with experience will be at a disadvantage.
In order for me to pass the test it would seem that I will have to lower my standards of hazard perception and concentrate more on when the DSA think I should click that mouse.

Those drivers amongst us who are now trying to attain a motorcycle license BE WARNED.

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PostPosted: 11:44 - 20 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jees- it's not just me who has problems then. Like you, the multiple choice q's are fine- it's the hazard perception and when to click im not too hot on.

I got mine booked for Wednesday so im doiung these practice ones. I click at every possible hazard and it accuses me of cheating!

Bloody thing!
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 20 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole thing's crazy imo. I managed to get 53 and pass when I did it on Thursday but god knows that was only luck. I did do some practice ones from a CD which might have helped me a bit. Not at being good at hazard perception, just at understanding the stupid system.

Good luck with yours on Wednesday freestyler.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 20 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

YYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS.

Ta by the way.

I managed to pass my first Hazard Perception test on my CD-ROM.

I guess watching Suzi Perry on the DSA disc must've helped.


I kinda got the idea what to look for now. Very Happy

But i bet if i take another-i'll feck up Mad

Lets see.................
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 20 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I failed twice on the hazard perception once by one mark and then by two marks.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 20 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well i passed again on my second CD-ROM HP test. I kinda got the idea now.

CLick when you see a potential Hazard, click when it or you ''Move/s'' and click when it's over.

However-i bet my confidence messes me up for the real test. Sad
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 20 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never had to do the hazard perception thingy as I passed my test before it was introduced. However it strikes me that a better way to do this would be to have the testee have to give a running commentary on what they see in the video and what action they would take which would be recorded and then marked by an examiner.

This is something akin to what I believe advanced drivers/riders have to do during their training whilst out for real on the road. If all learners were taught to do this it might actually improve the overall standards on our roads rather than just seeing if people are any good at computer games...
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 20 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

tgabber wrote:
Never had to do the hazard perception thingy as I passed my test before it was introduced. However it strikes me that a better way to do this would be to have the testee have to give a running commentary on what they see in the video and what action they would take which would be recorded and then marked by an examiner.



Could not agree more as there is nothing wrong with my hazard perception yet I failed the test dismally, had I given an commentary to an examiner I am sure I would have passed flying colours.

You don't drive for ten years without having an accident unless you can detect the odd hazard or two
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 20 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first theory test had exactly the same marks as you, Retro. Second one I got 42 then the next I got 53 and passed Smile


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PostPosted: 17:07 - 20 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

i passed my theory test first time. cant seem to pass my pratical test thuo. Shocked
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 21 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think you are supposed to say it will be a hazard only when it will cause you to change speed or direction, having said that if i noticed something on the side of the road i would take my foot off the accelerator and hover over the brake, just incase!
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 21 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikerbird wrote:
Think you are supposed to say it will be a hazard only when it will cause you to change speed or direction, having said that if i noticed something on the side of the road i would take my foot off the accelerator and hover over the brake, just incase!


Surely the system is a bit flawed though, as I'm always wary if I even see children on the pavement. They are a hazard just by being unpredictable buggers and being there. As for a van parked on my side of the road with its hazard warning lights on. I could see it was a hazard as soon as I'd seen it from half a mile away. Also if you see a car pulled up to a junction that you're coming up to. It's a hazard as soon as you see it, isn't it?

So are we only meant to click when we perceive a hazard which needs us to respond, or what?

Quote:
A possible source of danger: a fire hazard.


https://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=67&q=hazard

No doubt they'll scrap the existing system to replace it with something they think is better before too long.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 21 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikerbird wrote:
if i noticed something on the side of the road i would take my foot off the accelerator and hover over the brake, just incase!


I think if you are riding a bike using your foot to accelerate, a parked car is the least of your worries Laughing

i know she's not referring to a bike...
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 21 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hazard Perception had me worried, i guess its all about the way you click not really whether you do or not.

I hadnt done any practise but got told by a mate and so clicked three times for each hazard, once when i saw it, once one/two seconds later and then once when it was blaringly obvious (ie as the camera car stopped so it didnt hit the crazy old blind suicidal granny).

Something that bugged me about the whole thing... the fact the camera was mounted on a car not a bike for the BIKE theory test.
No leaning round corners, no using the whole road to maximise visibility, no sneaky filtering (button would click like crazy there).

I was expecting to judge the riders knee down ability on the hazard perception bits Wink
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 22 Nov 2004    Post subject: Re: Hazard Perception test Reply with quote

Retro-Man wrote:

My Conclusion:
The hazard part of the test does not test hazard perception but only tests if you have been properly trained to click at an appropriate time during the test. It fits novice drivers/riders well but those with experience will be at a disadvantage.
In order for me to pass the test it would seem that I will have to lower my standards of hazard perception and concentrate more on when the DSA think I should click that mouse.

On the DSA site you can complain about the test - https://www.dsa.gov.uk/.
Sounds like you have some valid input for this.

FWIW I was told that once you see a hazard you should give a count (of two I think Confused) and then press the mouse. Having said that it was on the car example CD and I have not had to do the real theory/hazard test so don't quote it as gsopel. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 22 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my test on Saturday and got 100% for the Theory and 65/75 for the Hazard Perception test. The key is to NOT click multiple times for the same hazard, only if something drastically changes (i.e. first you see the car pull out from a distance and then again when you have to slow when you reach it). No reason to click when "it's over". It doesn't affect anything.

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Think you are supposed to say it will be a hazard only when it will cause you to change speed or direction, having said that if i noticed something on the side of the road i would take my foot off the accelerator and hover over the brake, just incase!


The test video does state that the people walking down the side of the road DO class as hazards so clicking for them would be right anyway.

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I could see it was a hazard as soon as I'd seen it from half a mile away. Also if you see a car pulled up to a junction that you're coming up to. It's a hazard as soon as you see it, isn't it?

So are we only meant to click when we perceive a hazard which needs us to respond, or what?


I would click when I initially saw it and then I would click again when I was closer just to make sure it picked my up clicking at all.

I have a feeling it ignored me when I clicked for one as I was too far away and then only picked up my second click as apparently I scored 1 on one of the videos. Not impressed, heh.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 22 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I failed my HP when i first did it. got 38/75 i think Embarassed. That was with no practice or anything.

Second time after a bit of practice with a CD i got 34/35 and 68/75 for my car driving theory. Then my motorbike theory i got 33/35 and 65/75.

As much as most things can be classed as a hazard you are only supposed to click when a hazard develops. So that you have to take some action.

eg. A car with a flashing indicator in the side road is a potential hazard, however it is not a developing hazard until it starts to pull out in front of you!
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 22 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys,
I took mine on saturday and i was really confident, i answerd all questions, and flagged three.
Answerd those and was convinced i had it cracked.
I managed to get 29/30
I got 62/70 on HP, WHERES THE FEKING JUSTICE!

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PostPosted: 16:50 - 22 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

killa127 wrote:
Guys,
I took mine on saturday and i was really confident, i answerd all questions, and flagged three.
Answerd those and was convinced i had it cracked.
I managed to get 29/30
I got 62/70 on HP, WHERES THE FEKING JUSTICE!

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Er, Theory is out of 35 and HP is out of 75...
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 22 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea i know
29 on the questions
62 on HP
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 22 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

34/35 on the multiple choice and passed by a squeak on hazard perception; 47/75. I didn't think there was any value in sitting at a computer in no real danger in a totally manufactured situation. Pointless. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 22 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope i pass it first time becasue that'll be a massive confidence loss if i mess it up. Confused
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 22 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had similar experience on my HP. Been driving 17 years, seemed to do well on practise CD, got bombed out for clicking too much on first HP Test question - which also happened to be the double hazard!

Still got 58/75 even though lost those 10 points straight away, but the practise CD encourages you to click for ALL potential hazards - or that's the way I understood it.

All the test teaches you to do is to click when you think they want you to click, not a judgment of your true hazard perception at all. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 22 Nov 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, straight from the horses mouth:
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The test consists of 14 video clips, each lasting about one minute. The clips feature various types of hazards, such as vehicles, pedestrians and road conditions. You should respond by pressing a mouse button as soon as you see a hazard developing that may result in the driver having to take some action, such as changing speed or direction. The earlier the developing hazard is spotted, and a response made, the higher the score.
Candidates can score up to five marks on each hazard and the test contains 15 scoreable hazards.


https://www.dsa.gov.uk/

As soon as you see the hazard? Why does it have a delay built into the marking then? Confused
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