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Wonko The Sane
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Motorway commuting advice please Reply with quote

Just accepted a job that's a 40 min commute from my house, with the majority of it going on the M60 motorway (round Manchester) coming off at the same junction as the trafford centre.

Initially I'll be doing the commute on my varadero (just fitted a taller screen to duck out of the wind a little easier) but hope to get something a bit easier to do the motorway stint on (ZZR6 or ER6F etc)

As I've only used the M62 on the bike and that was during the day so not 'crush hour' was wondering if anyone could give me a bit of advice for commuting on the motorways by bike.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in a similar position,currently got an A road commute of 14 miles but starting a job soon with a mainly motorway journey of 25 miles, mostly M6. No real advice to offer but I'll keep an eye on your thread!
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, I commute about 80miles a day most of it on the M1, there's not really much to say about it other than it's boring and squares tyres quickly.

I listen to music to avoid the boredom and tend to just sit in the outside lane following traffic. Not sure how busy it gets on the M60 but filtering is usually ok if traffic is slow.

If we ever get a summer I try and take alternate routes, which are longer but more fun.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:39 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I commute on the Vara, 25 miles each way, all motorway,

It is fine. standard screen is fine, pulls fine, have music and muffs though.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

R6Armadillo wrote:
Hi, I commute about 80miles a day most of it on the M1, there's not really much to say about it other than it's boring and squares tyres quickly.



^ This. Check your tyres reguarly as they square off quicker than you might think! I commute about 60 miles a day on my gsxr and I didn't think the the tyres were squaring off after winter but after putting new rubber on it feel like a brand new bike in comparison!
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boring as fuck. Economical though if you're prepared to sit at 70.

Does square tyres, make sure you wear ear plugs, hands will get bloody cold.

My advice: sit in the right hand lane doing 90, occassionally pulling over for the Beemer, Benz or Audi behind you flashing his lights.

I hate the middle lane, people love trying to kill you there. It's either the the right hand lane at 90 or the lorry lane at 60 for me.

If you're looking for a workhorse ZZR, I may just have the thing for you Wink
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unsure how applicable it will be on a 125 but for long motorway journeys I tend to set my speed a little quicker than the speed of the traffic and move between lanes 2 and 3 (or 3 and 4), i try and keep my speed even to be friendly to my mpg. Obviously where traffic allows use the lanes as they should be.

When the traffic slows down it can be tempting to filter way faster than is safe because of the wide lanes but cars do swing into any gap they can so just be aware of that.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not noticed any significant tyre wear from 67,000 to 72,000 Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

moppy wrote:
Boring as fuck. Economical though if you're prepared to sit at 70.

Does square tyres, make sure you wear ear plugs, hands will get bloody cold.

My advice: sit in the right hand lane doing 90, occassionally pulling over for the Beemer, Benz or Audi behind you flashing his lights.



90 on a 125? that's not going to happen.

How can I tell if I'm squaring my tyres off?
I know a country lane blast is the way to sort it out, just be good to keep an eye out on it doing so.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Re: Motorway commuting advice please Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:
As I've only used the M62 on the bike and that was during the day so not 'crush hour' was wondering if anyone could give me a bit of advice for commuting on the motorways by bike.

Thanks.

What junction are you joining the motorway?
As J14 can be a bitch with traffic switching lanes joining from the M61, & J12 anti clockwise can be interesting, with switching lanes trying to get across left for the M602 for Salford & the M62 for Warrington & beyond while traffic is joining the motorway from the slip road. Many cars have been sideswiped there by trucks, so you`ll need to keep your whit's about you. Likewise going back the opposite way, try to keep out of the left lane at Eccles, as traffic joining the motorway heading clockwise won`t be on the lookout for bikers while joining, there's always a bit of a melee as traffic coming north from Trafford park meets the M62 traffic at Eccles, as some will want to move over to the left lane asap to exit at worsley & the M61. so in a space of 500m a LOT of vehicles are switching lanes at Eccles heading clockwise.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Re: Motorway commuting advice please Reply with quote

Peirre oBollox wrote:
Black Sheep wrote:
As I've only used the M62 on the bike and that was during the day so not 'crush hour' was wondering if anyone could give me a bit of advice for commuting on the motorways by bike.

Thanks.

What junction are you joining the motorway?
As J14 can be a bitch with traffic switching lanes joining from the M61, & J12 anti clockwise can be interesting, with switching lanes trying to get across left for the M602 for Salford & the M62 for Warrington & beyond while traffic is joining the motorway from the slip road. Many cars have been sideswiped there by trucks, so you`ll need to keep your whit's about you. Likewise going back the opposite way, try to keep out of the left lane at Eccles, as traffic joining the motorway heading clockwise won`t be on the lookout for bikers while joining, there's always a bit of a melee as traffic coming north from Trafford park meets the M62 traffic at Eccles, as some will want to move over to the left lane asap to exit at worsley & the M61


I'm doing M66 (but might go down through Bury to Prestwich on days with bad weather / high winds) to Trafford Park and back

Wondering if just doing A576 might be a better plan
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Re: Motorway commuting advice please Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:
Just accepted a job that's a 40 min commute from my house, with the majority of it going on the M60 motorway (round Manchester) coming off at the same junction as the trafford centre.

Initially I'll be doing the commute on my varadero (just fitted a taller screen to duck out of the wind a little easier) but hope to get something a bit easier to do the motorway stint on (ZZR6 or ER6F etc)

As I've only used the M62 on the bike and that was during the day so not 'crush hour' was wondering if anyone could give me a bit of advice for commuting on the motorways by bike.

Thanks.


I do a route from North Wales. It's really good, although the M60 to M602 turn off is a fucker if you go in too hot! I use the M56 / M6 / M60 and M602. All good except it can get a bit sticky on the M6 to M62. Just keep an eye out for diesel spillage on the motorway off ramps...
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can tell your tyres are squaring off by a) looking at and feeling the tyre as it gets worse its really noticeable that the profile of the tyre is no longer round. B) the bike will feel like it wants to be upright all the time flicking the bike over will feel like a struggle.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Re: Motorway commuting advice please Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:
I'm doing M66 (but might go down through Bury to Prestwich on days with bad weather / high winds) to Trafford Park and back

It shouldn`t be too bad just try to filter between lanes 3 & 4 when passing J12, as you have no need to move across to exit at Eccles, & the right 2 lanes at that junction will take you towards Trafford etc.
But as I`ve stated be careful coming back thru Eccles at busy times & try to keep out of lane 1 until your past Worsley & leave the traffic to fight it out over lane 1. Then move over to lane 1, as people like me heading towards Leeds will be looking to get into lane 3 to avoid the scramble in 1 & 2 for the M61 M66 A580 etc
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PostPosted: 16:04 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just act like you are in a car for a few days if you are not used to motorways. You will get the confidence to overtake at speed in busy traffic in no time. You will soon end up riding aggressive and get to your destination in no time.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

1888 wrote:
Just act like you are in a car for a few days if you are not used to motorways. You will get the confidence to overtake at speed in busy traffic in no time. You will soon end up riding aggressive and get to your destination in no time.


I guess I'm just a bit worried since 75 is kind of what my bike can do on the flat so feel like my only options for avoiding things is change lanes or brake, on a bigger bike there's always the option of increase speed to get out of the way and let things happen behind you.

Although at that time in a morning, traffic speed may well be slower.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice would be get a bigger bike asap.

I felt exposed on my old cb500 because it didn't have much grunt above 70, on a 600 now and it's a lot better. I know people are happy to do it on 125's etc but it's not for me. Like today driving wind with a bit of snow my bike was getting blown around dread to think what would of happened on a lightweight 125 with little power.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aspire wrote:
My advice would be get a bigger bike asap.

I felt exposed on my old cb500 because it didn't have much grunt above 70, on a 600 now and it's a lot better. I know people are happy to do it on 125's etc but it's not for me. Like today driving wind with a bit of snow my bike was getting blown around dread to think what would of happened on a lightweight 125 with little power.
^ +1

I remember getting on the M1 to Nottingham from Leicester on my little VL-125. Was blown all over the place, had lorries overtaking me, just felt unsafe. Decided to not take the M1 on the way back.

I'm a better rider than I was then and would feel more confident now, but would still be much happier on a big bike.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aspire wrote:
My advice would be get a bigger bike asap.

I felt exposed on my old cb500 because it didn't have much grunt above 70, on a 600 now and it's a lot better. I know people are happy to do it on 125's etc but it's not for me. Like today driving wind with a bit of snow my bike was getting blown around dread to think what would of happened on a lightweight 125 with little power.


Can see the point that a 58bhp bike when your carrying luggage and are on a hilly or windy road trying to maintain 70-80mph all the time. It's not that bad, but is sure harder work than it would be on a 750cc+ bike etc. It's all relative though, and compared to the geezer on a 15bhp 125, you have masses of extra available power in reserve for overtaking and keeping up with fast moving 80-90mph lines of traffic etc. At least when thrashed hard a 500cc bike will perform satisfactory and safely, but trying to maintain 70-80mph in all conditions on the 125 will be very hard/impossible and much more hard work and tiring etc.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

GET BLIND SPOT MIRRORS. Watch out for getting cut up, keep your distance from the vehicle in front because stuff that is lying in the road that wont harm cars but will harm bikes will appear from under the guy in front and you need time and space to react . Keep very aware of who is behind you and off to both sides at all times. think and anticipate of something goes wrong where is your best escape route
Its real concentration time on a bike . When the traffic is crawling dont be scared to filter. look well ahead watch the gap and keep an eye out for prats moving over on you . If filtering have your headlamp on full beam you will be amazed how much it helps you to filter through the traffic .

This is what I do on the M60 it works for me.... OTHERS MAY HAVE DIFFERENT ADVICE But in the end you hear all advice filter out what you disagree with and ride your own way keeping your wits about you .

PS NO TEXTING WHILE YOU ARE RIDING........
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

R6Armadillo wrote:
Hi, I commute about 80miles a day most of it on the M1, there's not really much to say about it other than it's boring and squares tyres quickly.

I listen to music to avoid the boredom and tend to just sit in the outside lane following traffic. Not sure how busy it gets on the M60 but filtering is usually ok if traffic is slow.

If we ever get a summer I try and take alternate routes, which are longer but more fun.


How do you listen to music on a motorbike that isnt a goldwing?
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBikerStig wrote:

How do you listen to music on a motorbike that isnt a goldwing?


Good fitting headphones and my mobile.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBikerStig wrote:
R6Armadillo wrote:
Hi, I commute about 80miles a day most of it on the M1, there's not really much to say about it other than it's boring and squares tyres quickly.

I listen to music to avoid the boredom and tend to just sit in the outside lane following traffic. Not sure how busy it gets on the M60 but filtering is usually ok if traffic is slow.

If we ever get a summer I try and take alternate routes, which are longer but more fun.


How do you listen to music on a motorbike that isnt a goldwing?


Earphones?
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the first couple weeks, give yourself extra time to get a feel of how traffic is at those times. Better to be at work 20 mins early than 20 mins late and stressed out from mega traffic.

Also a thumb's up for considering a bigger bike. I did short motorway commutes on my YBR for a few weeks and found that my biggest 'problem' was the fact I had no 'get out of trouble' power behind me if someone was being a bit silly or just gave you that funny feeling. As a result I was stuck between the lorries, and that's no place to be if Mr. Lorryman behind you is running close to his tacho time.

Cater the bike for comfort, not style on the motorway. Get some muffs and heated grips if you haven't already and a big bag of earplugs OR a reasonable fitting pair of earphones if you like music on the go (everyone is different).

As stated, don't be afraid to filter on the motorway if you hit standstill congestion, but this is where the extra time comes in handy if you're not used to filtering. Go your pace (don't let others rush you) and be hyper-vigilant for people lane hopping at the last second.

Hope that helps Smile
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