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PostPosted: 18:20 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: insurance firm casts doubt over BBC claim Reply with quote

https://www.fastbikesmag.com/2013/03/25/insurance-firm-casts-doubt-over-bbc-claim/

Nice to see it in black and white, even though it's something we already knew.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suprise, BBC in piss-poor journalistic standards shocker. Or just straight-forward outright lies and bullshit anti-biker agenda.

If you want real news the BBC is the last fucking place you go for it.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Suprise, BBC in piss-poor journalistic standards shocker. Or just straight-forward outright lies and bullshit anti-biker agenda.

If you want real news the BBC is the last fucking place you go for it.


I agree, but it's not just the bbc that thinks "most motorcycle accidents are the riders fault", this myth is often used in the press and last year there was even a tv advert stating most motorcycle accidents are the fault of the rider losing control on a bend, it was shown in ad breaks during bsb/wsb.
I'm just pleased that someone has actually proved that the most common cause of motorcycle accidents are drivers changing direction or pulling out of a junction...... it's something motorcyclists knew all along...and something car drivers need to know, shame it's only been published in a bike mag...maybe they should put it in all car mags so drivers get the idea Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Article wrote:

Of all the claims analysed, none was caused by loss of control on a bend.

I call bollocks based on that claim alone. Presumably the 19% of single vehicle accidents (in july and september) are caused by a loss of control on straight roads?
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

herulach wrote:
I call bollocks based on that claim alone. Presumably the 19% of single vehicle accidents (in july and september) are caused by a loss of control on straight roads?


I don't know, most people concentrate pretty well on a bend. Think of all the ways to fuck up on the straight;
    tank slapper
    wheelies
    braking too hard/not hard enough
    drifting on a motorway/dual carriageway
    opening up the throttle too fast
    just being shit

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PostPosted: 19:29 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

herulach wrote:
The Article wrote:

Of all the claims analysed, none was caused by loss of control on a bend.

I call bollocks based on that claim alone. Presumably the 19% of single vehicle accidents (in july and september) are caused by a loss of control on straight roads?


Remember these are insurance claims, if you are hit by someone else you are defiantly more likely to claim.

I imagine most people would never call their insurance company and tell them they just dropped it on a bend. I know that I for one can add a couple to that list.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My accident was loss of control on a bend Embarassed
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
My accident was loss of control on a bend Embarassed


Me too and totally my fault.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends how they define "loss of control". Running wide might be listed as "excess speed" or "spacking out" for all we know.

Insurers versus Pravda, they could both be lying through their teeth parasitical suckers.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno about everyone else but i wouldn't claim my insurance if i crashed on a bend and it was my fault. Unless i wrote the bike off of course. Also you'd need FC insurance for that.

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PostPosted: 20:48 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye, they're missing lots of data from many crashes not involving a third party which obviously helps the argument. However Its nice to see cagers in the wrong for once Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's face it, most "Loss of control on a bend" claims will be recorded as "Avoided cat/dog/pheasant" claims anyway.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This report on motorcycle accidents commissioned by the DFT is worth a read;

https://speedcamerareport.co.uk/dft_motorcycle_accidents.pdf
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave_R wrote:
This report on motorcycle accidents commissioned by the DFT is worth a read;

https://speedcamerareport.co.uk/dft_motorcycle_accidents.pdf


Anyone care to type a brief synopsis?
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

crackfinder wrote:

I agree, but it's not just the bbc that thinks "most motorcycle accidents are the riders fault", this myth is often used in the press and last year there was even a tv advert stating most motorcycle accidents are the fault of the rider losing control on a bend, it was shown in ad breaks during bsb/wsb.




IIRC, if you remove the <125cc categories from the collision stats, the most common cause of accidents for those riding (stereotypically) 600-1000cc bikes is losing control on a bend.

The DfT link appears to support this.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus Icon wrote:
Dave_R wrote:
This report on motorcycle accidents commissioned by the DFT is worth a read;

https://speedcamerareport.co.uk/dft_motorcycle_accidents.pdf


Anyone care to type a brief synopsis?




Headlights and high-vis don't appear to make much difference to your chances of being involved in a collision. Motorcyclists riding "big" bikes are a risk to themselves on bends and all are put at risk at junctions and anywhere else where a right of way can be violated.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 25 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

For your motorcycle crashes on bends, most motorcycle crash vids i have watched is the rider forgetting (or at least appearing to) how to go round a curve that has different camber to the road leading into it.

A good reference for this is a youtube vid compilation titled "2012 NO PRISONERS"
There are a half dozen or so videos of people at normal speeds just failing a corner in amongst some other crashes.

When i crash on a bend ill give a detailed analysis if able.
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PostPosted: 02:00 - 26 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fruit'n'nut wrote:
https://speedcamerareport.co.uk/dft_motorcycle_accidents.pdf
Headlights and high-vis don't appear to make much difference to your chances of being involved in a collision.

Difference compared to what? Like MAIDs, they didn't even bother to record the use of lights and high-vis in the general riding population.

The report wrote:
Over 30% of our detailed sample of ROWV accidents where a motorcyclist is not at fault involve a motorcyclist who is recorded as using daytime running lights or reflective clothing, or both

And nearly 70% of SMIDSYs happened to riders who weren't wearing any high vis or using their lights. Rolling Eyes

It's a useless metric without knowing what proportion riders in general were wearing high-vis or using lights at that time. More than 30%? Less? It's all in the context.
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PostPosted: 03:03 - 26 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

herulach wrote:
The Article wrote:

Of all the claims analysed, none was caused by loss of control on a bend.

I call bollocks based on that claim alone. Presumably the 19% of single vehicle accidents (in july and september) are caused by a loss of control on straight roads?


Think about how many offs happen by people slamming their brakes.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 26 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Suprise, BBC in piss-poor journalistic standards shocker. Or just straight-forward outright lies and bullshit anti-biker agenda.

If you want real news the BBC is the last fucking place you go for it.


I sadly agree with you totally. Crying or Very sad

The BBC used to be a place where what was reported was balanced and factual. Not-nay-no-more.! We are now subjected to their journalists personal points of view and hearsay speculation who seem reluctant to let the actual facts get in the way of the story they would like to be. Rolling Eyes

Combined with their left wing twist on most subjects they are a shadow of what they once were.

Now if you want facts go and read the Sun. Laughing Laughing Laughing Shocked

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PostPosted: 15:31 - 26 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off the top of my head I've been in 4 accidents.

Two accidents involving cars:
Arrow one SMIDSY-esque accident on the approach to a roundabout. Non fault. (2010)
Arrow chav in a corsa trying to undertake on a slip road. Non fault. (2007)

Two accidents caused by me.
Arrow low sided on a roundabout with a friend on the back, trying to show off and failing. (2008)
Arrow dead straight road in freezing conditions, unsure of the cause but can only be myself to blame! (2008/9)

So I guess judging just by me, half of all accidents are caused by other road users but only those involving other road users are reported to the authorities. Shows why figures get skewed so much.

These days I get too much pleasure from pushing the limits in the rain so if I was to guess I would say if anything "gets" me it will be my own fault. That said I have way more miles under my belt since my last crash so I think I'm far more aware of my own limits, plus it is much easier to find the limits of my divvy which brings it's own pleasure.
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