Can I be arsed? - Producer

[Wonko The Sane]

Just wondering if I can be arsed to find the time to call in at my local police station to point out how much of a plonker the police officer who pulled me on the M60 is.


Back story.

I have my full (<33bhp) license and ride my 125 varadero to and from work via the M60.

I got pulled today for 'riding not in accordance' as I was on the motorway on my bike and apparently must only have a 125 license and have removed my L plates to avoid being caught.

showing my photo card license, which was updated when I passed, got the reply of "you need to show that at the station between 9 and 5 on a week day."

I work 9-6 so that's not an option.

Should i just wait for a summons to come through, allow them to take me to court and show up with full license and pass slips?

He didn't actually give me any paperwork so I'm a bit confused as to if he was just covering his mistake by not giving me anything after seeing my license.

any ideas?
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[Marmalade]

no producer = no producer.

No paperwork means nothing to do. He can't just tell you to turn up at a station with licence in hand, what are they going to do with it?
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I think you'd get summonsed for failing to produce rather than riding not in accordance with so you'd get done in court.
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[27cows]

As above. Copper sounds like a complete bellend. Have also got pulled more than once on my regular small commuter while motorway riding. Though the last time was about 14 years ago, admittedly
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[Muscle Bike Rider]

No producer = no offical record of being instructed to produce, producer normally lists what documents need to be shown within 7 days, its rare for these to be issued now as police have access to all info on their computer, I wouldn't bother, think he's just being a plonker.
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[covent.gardens]

You'll be going down there anyway to make a complaint against the incompetent officer won't you, so just show it then.

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[Wonko The Sane]

surely by having showing him my license at the side of the road I can't be done for not producing it?

admittedly it was photo card only as I didn't have paper on me.

With regards going and complaining, will have to wait for the weekend. but no idea what station he was from, couldn't see his number and no paperwork.

He didn't say which police station to go to, just "your local one"
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[stinkwheel]

You need to be careful.

Failure to produce your documents is an offence. Regardless of if the reason he asked you to produce is a spurious one. It's enough that he was in uniform and requested the ducuments.

That said, they normally give you a HORT1 form if they want you to produce documents but I don't think it's strictly necessary in the wording of the law.

So. It comes down to what he asked you to produce and if you did it. If he asked for and was shown your licence, you produced BUT it comes down to what he says happened and many police will think nothing of straight-out lying about it.

SO. There is no way you could be done for driving other than in accordance with your licence but they COULD fit you up for failing to produce.

Another thing. The statuatory defence for failure to produce is if you do so with in seven days or as soon as is reasonably practical. They tend to forget that last bit.

If it were me, I'd march myself down to the station and demand to see the duty sergeant and suggest he reviews the training of his officers before he sends them out into the world to harrass the public. I've done this before when I was given a producer for my CBT certificate after being stopped on a 350 and showing them my full licence.

So. Three options the way I see it:
1) Sit on it, hope he doesn't lie about you showing him your licence at the scene.

2) Cover your arse, find a way to produce it at a police station. Just go to any police station. You would normally specify which one, not the copper who stopped you. They'll take your details and give you a log number to prove you did it.

3) Kick up a fuss at his home station.

Number 3 would be the right way to go. From your description of what happened, he needs a kick up the arse from his sergeant.
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[Wonko The Sane]

no idea of his home station.
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[27cows]

Phone your local station and tell them what happened - they'll advise you. But I know for a fact that without the HORT1, you're not legally obliged to produce your docs. You showed that prat your full license, which entitles you to be riding on the motorway. He'll know from the fact that your plate hasn't flagged anything up that you have insurance, tax and the bike isn't nicked.

But incompetence of this nature seems par for the course now
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I can't believe you saw the only copper on the M60

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[27cows]

[mr jamez]

Ah the producer, the last weapon in a traffics armory when he's come to a dead end; "I was wrong but I'm still going to be a annoying cunt just to make a point."

Fucking even give you one if they check your photo license, phone through to check the insurance database, have a look over the vehicle...
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[27cows]

True enough - which is why OP needs to phone local station and see what they say.

Not heard of anyone getting a producer in years. Didn't think it even happened any more.

Speeding is different - they've got photographic or video evidence of a crime being committed. OP hasn't broken the law. Copper was obviously a tit Still better to be safe than sorry.
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[MarJay]

The few times I've had a producer I just took it into a local large police station that was open outside of office hours.
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[radicalrabit]

when i was 25 got done for speeding. was given the producer and took it to the nick after about 7 days and they tore it up ... the happy chappy who nicked me put my date of birth in the date of offence bit...... seldom that lucky these days
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[Shinigami]

but the OP produced his full license card so surely he has 'produced' ?

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