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PostPosted: 21:55 - 30 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
All I know is that the Devil is a relative modern concept and used to be Blue and is thought to have derived from Baal by some people. The devils likeness is more to do with art than belief.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Christ.

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PostPosted: 03:45 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
keggyhander wrote:

Dr Quack probably agrees with Ray "Banana-Man" Comfort:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yBvvGi_2A


Sir, if that is a link to some sordid forn-ography then I am sorry but I cannot open it.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Re: Evolution, True or false: Only Homosapians were human? Reply with quote
Dr. Quack wrote:
Man found in Palastine 400,000 years ago.
https://gizadeathstar.com/2012/02/man-in-palestine-400000-years-ago/
Contrary to the reigning evolutionary and genetic paradigm that holds that modern homo sapiens sapiens came from Africa, and migrated throughout the world, some 150,000-200,000 years ago. (Teeth are said only to be “similar” to modern man)


Getting back to the OP....

So what?

Its science. If its turns out the theory of the way mankind evolved is wrong, you just change it. Its what makes science a useful and flexible tool for understanding the observable universe.

Its also what makes books like the Bible so useless when they attempt history. The ignorant opinions of goatherds cannot be updated, because they are apparently already expressing perfect truth.

But then the bible is pretty weak even in the areas it should be strong on, like spirituality. It's rich in demands and pronouncements and parables and metaphors, and almost totally lacking in explanations and rational discussion.

The bible can be an entertaining read, but I can safely say I learnt a fair bit about people, and absolutely nothing about god, from reading it.

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PostPosted: 19:26 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
OP - Can you tell us again what it is you believe in???
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Might as well ask a chimp why it likes flinging shit.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dr. Quack wrote:
Thanks for .... care.


As I say...rich in demands and pronouncements and parables and metaphors, and almost totally lacking in explanations and rational discussion.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 02 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
People look at the Bible as a fact based legal document and then either believe it or trash it.

It should be seen as a guide, showing how things can go wrong and guiding on how to get people living in harmony. You mustn't forget that it comes from an age without Google, many people couldn't read or write so it was spoken ( ever played chines wispers?then you will know how things are changed)

Take from religion what you need, the basics, be nice, don't kill, don't be greedy, look after others and they will look after you, don't pinch stuff and don't shag you mates wife.

That is all the bible and for that matter most religions say. Not a bad set of rules to work by and most of us do work by them, sometimes falling foul of them from time to time, but in general we work within those rules/guides.


Now how do you get a frew thousand people to follow those good basic guides? Make it into a reigion with a few illustrations and wham, you have a bible. Trouble is is that you will have a few who see the benifits of greed and shagging your mates wife and ill use the bible to get ahead of others, they are called Clergy/Pope/Imam/priest/whatever others are called.

then you get the trendy who think that they don't need guidance and can go it alone, these are the ones who try to make out that the bible is supposed to be a fact based document and try to pull it apart, but will still end up following the basic rules, or rather want others to follow the basic rules so that hey don't have to.

Very simple I know, but the bible/religion is simple, just the clusterfucks who argue over it and whether it is true or not on both sides that make things difficult.


Do not worship any other Gods = Stick to one basic set of rules

Do not make any idols = Don’t let anything get above the rules

Do not misuse Gods name = Don’t misuse the rules

Keep the Sabbath holy = Everyone needs a rest

Honour your Mother and Father = Listen to what your elders have to say and look after them when they are weak

Do not murder = Don’t kill people, no shit Sherlock

Do not commit adultery = stops infections, incest (brother/sister shagging without knowing it) stops wars too.

Do not steal = a basic really

Do not lie = obvious, except when she asks does my bum look big in this?

Do not covet = look at what you have and enjoy it and not what others have (will also stop the lie, kill, adultery bit)


Simple rules that only Lawyers can fuck up.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 02 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Skudd wrote:
Do not worship any other Gods = Stick to one basic set of rules


Now, this one is hard and fast... you can't have a decent religion without this one. In fact God gets quite shitty about this one and even suggests you stone your ma and pa if they worship another god (bit of a conflict with the 'honouring' bit that comes later).

Skudd wrote:
Do not make any idols = Don’t let anything get above the rules


This one goes even further. You're not allowed pictures, drawings or generally anything that is a bit like a god, person, animal, bit of fruit. It's really just to re-enforce rule 1. Unless it's a cherub or two - God likes a good Cherub, oh and Oxen...

Skudd wrote:
Do not misuse Gods name = Don’t misuse the rules


Again, re-enforcement of rule 1. God is getting a bit self important at this point. Eternal damnation is the punishment here.

Skudd wrote:
Keep the Sabbath holy = Everyone needs a rest


Wow, 40% of the rules to live by essentially say "worship me and no one else". The punishment here is being stoned to death. Not so much a rest as an enforced day spent on bended knee.

Skudd wrote:
Honour your Mother and Father = Listen to what your elders have to say and look after them when they are weak


As already mentioned, only honour them if they're good Christians. They also have no responsibility to honour you unless you happen to be the first son. Be unfortunate enough to be a daughter and they can sell you in hard times.

Skudd wrote:
Do not murder = Don’t kill people, no shit Sherlock


People only really count if they're good Christians. As mentioned even your mother and father aren't people when they do something wrong. You can pretty much stone anyone to death if they so much as breath funny.

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Do not commit adultery = stops infections, incest (brother/sister shagging without knowing it) stops wars too.


Incest is fairly actively promoted and adultery for the most part only covers other people's wives. As a bloke this is a fairly good commandment.

Skudd wrote:
Do not steal = a basic really


Fairly sturdy ground here. You're only allowed to steal from Egyptians or if God tells you he really needs it... After all, he can create a whole universe but occasionally needs to 'borrow' a horse or two.

Skudd wrote:
Do not lie = obvious, except when she asks does my bum look big in this?


Again, fairly sturdy until the admission that God put the lying tongue in false prophets. Just for a laugh I guess.

Skudd wrote:
Do not covet = look at what you have and enjoy it and not what others have (will also stop the lie, kill, adultery bit)


With all the land taking, daughter selling, temple destroying it should be rather obvious that it's only coveting things that good Christians have that is wrong.

Skudd wrote:
Simple rules that only Lawyers can fuck up.


Simple rules that are repeatedly transgressed and contradicted, but mainly if it's those god damn heathens who'd be on the receiving end of it...
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 02 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
daemonoid wrote:
Does the "take it as a legal document stuff...


Nothing wrong with the basics of the Ten Commandments, replace God with rules/law, just look past and beyond that religion uses and claims the rules as their own and look at them as a way of life and to get on with others and then all his hunky dory. It is the people who want to think themselves bigger that start pulling apart bits that others have misused ( do not misuse the name of god/ don't misuse the rules) Simple is simple.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 02 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Skudd wrote:
daemonoid wrote:
Does the "take it as a legal document stuff...


Nothing wrong with the basics of the Ten Commandments, replace God with rules/law, just look past and beyond that religion uses and claims the rules as their own and look at them as a way of life and to get on with others and then all his hunky dory. It is the people who want to think themselves bigger that start pulling apart bits that others have misused ( do not misuse the name of god/ don't misuse the rules) Simple is simple.


Well, no there isn't providing you read them with current morality. Stealing is a vague term that implies property rights which many small civilisations have been happier without.

Adultery again implies ownership, this time of other people. Surely life would be better without constraints where people are free to choose what they want to do. Why should you have control over a wife who would prefer to be doing something someone else?

Killing even (it was murder in the commandments) has it's moments. Are you not allowed to kill an attacker in self defence?

Simple rules suddenly require more explanations. And any set of rules that start with "I am the law" are not the kind of rules I want to live by...
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Well, no there isn't providing you read them with current morality. Stealing is a vague term that implies property rights which many small civilisations have been happier without.

Adultery again implies ownership, this time of other people. Surely life would be better without constraints where people are free to choose what they want to do. Why should you have control over a wife who would prefer to be doing something someone else?

Killing even (it was murder in the commandments) has it's moments. Are you not allowed to kill an attacker in self defence?

Simple rules suddenly require more explanations. And any set of rules that start with "I am the law" are not the kind of rules I want to live by...


And this is why simple guides to live by get fucked up. people like yourself trying to get round things or putting extra issues on them that are not needed, Ever wondered why we have so many rules and laws? It is because the basics can't be followed by the likes of yourself. You have to twist and turn everyrhing so that it becomes useless and then complain that it has no use.
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The problem is that I've not found religious people that have considered the bible to be "some nice thoughts on how we should live our life; also worth reading Heinlein and Huxkley".
Because, by nature they wouldn't be religious people if that's how they worked.

Unfortunately the bible is a guide for living 2000 years ago, so a tad out of date - and even then, still not that great morally to my mind.
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Sticking my oar in, the commandments and similar rules are good for society as a whole as our values can be twisted and changed over time, and before we know it we're eating Soylent Green for tea.

Generally we don't need religion now as we have video cameras and PR firms Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 02 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Skudd wrote:
And this is why simple guides to live by get fucked up. people like yourself trying to get round things or putting extra issues on them that are not needed, Ever wondered why we have so many rules and laws? It is because the basics can't be followed by the likes of yourself. You have to twist and turn everyrhing so that it becomes useless and then complain that it has no use.


I was simply proposing 'be nice and share' with the first two. You're the one who brought in the idea of ownership, thus money, dominion over others and all the great trappings of capitalism that make us progress at the expense of happiness. The 10 commandments aren't that great and rely purely on our chosen morality, I was trying to make you see that point not get around the 'rules'.

The self defence was a separate point, but does point out the absurdity of a strict simple rule.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 02 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Skudd wrote:
Do not misuse Gods name = Don’t misuse the rules.


Something that Christians do far more than Atheists.

People who "Thank God" during speeches such as politicians winning campaigns, actors winning awards, etc. are literally taking God's name in vain by suggesting that they are important enough to have received God's help in their success. If I remember my RE classes well enough that is really frowned upon by your standard imaginary deity.

An Atheist would never do that.

In fact, I think that means Atheists are more likely to follow all of the 10 commandments than Christians.

In your face, God botherers.
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Flatbadger wrote:
Sticking my oar in, the commandments and similar rules are good for society as a whole as our values can be twisted and changed over time, and before we know it we're eating Soylent Green for tea.

Or not killing gays.
Or letting people eat pork.

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G wrote:
Flatbadger wrote:
Sticking my oar in, the commandments and similar rules are good for society as a whole as our values can be twisted and changed over time, and before we know it we're eating Soylent Green for tea.

Or not killing gays.
Or letting people eat pork.

Wink


They amount to the same thing don't they? Smile
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