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PostPosted: 19:54 - 05 Apr 2013    Post subject: Is there a Hybusa glut? Reply with quote

I went to my local main dealer today to get one or two bits.
While I was there, I took a look at what was on offer.

All the usual stuff was there , old Kawasaki`s, Suzuki`s, ect ect.

However I did notice that there seemed to be a good few Hybusa`s on offer ie about 5 or 6 (I was`nt counting).
So are all the Busa owners all trading in their bikes for the new fashionable/faster trendy bike or has something come to light about the Busa that I have missed?
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think anything new has come to light about them - nor that more people are trading them in for different machines. Probably just the way the garages stock has come in.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say that Hayabusas are probably the best bike for 'what you see is what you get'.

Indestructible engine. Amazing power. Bad on the knees without decent rear sets (gen 1). Tokiko 6 pots need looking after and bendix racing pads to haul a fucking big bike down from 180 mph Laughing

I LOVED mine.

A huge amount of bike for the money. Everyone should own a busa at some time in their life Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's probably because all Hayabusa owners (except maybe Pete) Have traded theirs in for big adventure bikes, specifically BMW GS's.

That's why you don't see that many sportsbikes around any more. Ewan McGregor and Charley Booringman ruined it for everyone.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
it's probably because all Hayabusa owners (except maybe Pete) Have traded theirs in for big adventure bikes, specifically BMW GS's.

That's why you don't see that many sportsbikes around any more. Ewan McGregor and Charley Booringman ruined it for everyone.


Excuse me, I traded mine in for a STR Cool

Although I do have an Explorer now Embarassed
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there is less fashion and need now for 175-200bhp hyper sports tourers or call them what you will. They are big heavy fast bikes that really hammer their way through tyres, brakes, chains and sprockets etc. They also all have the 186mph limitation now, so there is no need to own a 1300cc+ machine for ultimate big speeds.

I'd say some of these things have reduced popularity and ownership of these kinds of bikes now.

1, The big adventure bike fashion is definately one of them.

2, Running costs in the time of a fucked economy and high fuel costs. This means that some of the riders that use these bikes to commute to work on etc, either can't afford to justify the running costs as much, or have decided to go for a small low cost to run commuter bike instead.

3, The fact that 200bhp from a litre sportsbike with sharp handling and much less weight is commonly available now, and maybe some rider's have tried a BMW S1000R etc etc and thought this would suit me better maybe?

4, Sports tourers with over 150bhp are not as common now or as in high demand, and people are also buying big bikes for economy etc, such is show by the sales of machines like the Honda NC700 etc.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem you have, aside the fearsome running costs, is where do you use that kind of power? With more and more cameras, particularly the average speed ones, and ever more unmarked vehicles on the look for a bit of easy revenue for the Tories, owning something like a Hayabusa is pretty much a non-starter.

Which is one of the reasons I've always been a fan of small bikes, particularly stroker trailies. You can thrash about on them and have a reasonable amount of fun without being able to reach license threatening levels of forward motion.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think using the power has little to do with it, though it's a common talked about down the pub topic and thing to say.

From what i have seen very few owner's of these kinds of bikes use all the power any more than they would on a 600 or 1000cc sportsbike. You don't see too many of them really giving it some on track days or having a sunday blast as you do see them 2up with luggage on an A-road etc.

I've mentioned before, but a bloke near me uses his ZZR1400 to ride to work in everyday to building sites etc, and also uses it to pick up the shopping and takeways etc.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I think using the power has little to do with it, though it's a common talked about down the pub topic and thing to say.

From what i have seen very few owner's of these kinds of bikes use all the power any more than they would on a 600 or 1000cc sportsbike. You don't see too many of them really giving it some on track days or having a sunday blast as you do see them 2up with luggage on an A-road etc.

I've mentioned before, but a bloke near me uses his ZZR1400 to ride to work in everyday to building sites etc, and also uses it to pick up the shopping and takeways etc.


Each to their own but I would consider that to be massive overkill. Would always use something much smaller, cheaper and more disposable for donkey work.

I rode one of the original full power jobs a few years ago and it was an undeniably awesome bolide. I can understand someone wanting one just to know they've got that vast reservoir of power on tap. But I would imagine once the novelty wears off, you decide something a bit less full on would be better...hence half a dozen 'Busas in this particular dealer's.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 58reg Busa and find it the best all rounder on the Market for 6k.. Very Happy Goes as fast OR as Slow as you want it to go. Also does not eat tyres unless you thrash it.. Go on people try one Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried One ...It threw me off like a moody Mare for opening the throttle as I overtook a car and a bicycle and that was going up hill.

Sadly it was my mates bike and he hadn't had it out much because he bought it then went off to Afghanistan.

Never understood why It threw me off up hill in a straight line but there you go. It was a great bike to ride for the 20 or so minutes I was on it.

Think that was the fastest off I have had only about 40 and the only thing I hit was the road, and the bike stood itself up again and wandered off to come to rest up against a fence having switched itself off....Yep typical moody mare

Given the choice I would rather have one of them than the Blackbird but even more I would have a Pan European , because big tourers do all I want a bike to do 90% of the time....its just the 10% when there is a long crawling snake of traffic going up hill and you can see right to the furthest bend is clear.......
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

radicalrabit wrote:
Tried One ...It threw me off like a moody Mare for opening the throttle as I overtook a car and a bicycle and that was going up hill.



Really? I found the busa an incredibly forgiving bike considering I had the K7 which was identical to the one that was first turned out in 1999. How many bikes last 10 years without any upgrade
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

it went round the twisties like a dream and was always there when I wanted power or brakes, I have no idea why it chucked me off
we went back the next day and took some photos of the road to see if there was oil or anything on it.

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PostPosted: 21:55 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Litre bikes are quicker now

Big trail bikes have 130-150bhp these days
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aspire wrote:
Litre bikes are quicker now

Big trail bikes have 130-150bhp these days


Yes, but the limiter kicks in at 130mph for the Explorer.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 06 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ride a busa and open the throttle when you are doing silly speeds. It's better then sex!
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 07 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
radicalrabit wrote:
Tried One ...It threw me off like a moody Mare for opening the throttle as I overtook a car and a bicycle and that was going up hill.



Really? I found the busa an incredibly forgiving bike considering I had the K7 which was identical to the one that was first turned out in 1999. How many bikes last 10 years without any upgrade


Mine was fine once I had the shitty Avon on the back replaced, I had a similar moment on my way to work where the back end tried to overtake me for no more than a twitch of the wrist.

Awesome bikes though, I just got bored in the end and fancied a change. I didnt buy a Ewan or Charlie bike though Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 07 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

radicalrabit wrote:
Tried One ...It threw me off like a moody Mare for opening the throttle as I overtook a car and a bicycle and that was going up hill.


Had a very similar experience on a Triumph Sprint 955, came off of a roundabout and opened it up a little on the straight (2k-5k revs), and the back end just lost grip and starts snaking left to right Neutral

Luckily front seemed to keep grip and the rear eventually got traction after 30 metres of fishtailing, could assume it was either salt on the roads or cold tire, checked the pressures at a garage shortly after and they seemed fine. (shit myself when it happened, was only taking it for it's MOT, the bike is practically showroom condition with 4k miles).

I'll stick to my VFR thanks (and those nice Michelin PR-2s Very Happy)
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 07 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Owners finally realised how goddamn ugly they were? Wink
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 07 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattress wrote:
Owners finally realised how goddamn ugly they were? Wink


I think they're ugly too but the thought of becoming a human missile does tickle me a bit.
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 07 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aspire wrote:
Litre bikes are quicker now

Big trail bikes have 130-150bhp these days


I think in the real world though that litre bikes nowadays are slower than a 1300cc bike that has the same power but more torque. The weight of a sports tourer doesn't really blunt the roll on midrange acceleration and the aerodynamics at high speed should mean that in say 130mph+ roll on's they are faster than a short, stumpy narrow and less aerodynamic but pared down to the bone litre bike.

I don't know if modern litre bikes are any quicker than 10year old versions in terms on grabbing a big handful of throttle in a high gear under load. I'd certainely like to see an acceleration test in the real world of say a 2002 (long stroke) R1 against the 2012 version and see if below say 8-10000rpm if the new bikes are any faster or pull any harder from down low, maybe 2up on a long up-hill stretch of road etc.

Oh and i agree that i would'nt ride a ZZR1400 every day to work on cold wet slippy roads and get it all covered in mud and salt, but i bet it's very easy to ride slowly with hardly any gear changing needed once rolling, if you like that sort of thing.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 07 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aspire wrote:
Litre bikes are quicker now

Indeed - you can get a GSXR1000 with similar enough top end and not far off the midrange for a similar price but with handling and weight not far off a 600cc sports bike.
The 'busa does excel in having a strong engine; I suspect it's use in kit cars has kept the prices at the bottom end still fairly buoyant compared to similar bikes. Ie, an early TL-S can't have cost a massive amount less than the busa, but reckon they're going for half the price or so?

Steve:
Motorcylce-usa did a hyperbike shootout and included the S1000RR.
The S1000RR I would guess came fairly close to the current 'busa as far as power graph goes when adjusted for gearing (ie, by speed rather than rpm, as it revs a good chunk higher.) It makes a good chunk less torque, of course - but per rpm is going to be geared lower, so will have more of that torque getting to the back wheel to equal it out.
It won the quarter mile acceleration test and the 60-0 braking test. It came two points out of two hundred behind the ZX14 on their scoring system (and four infront of the 'busa) - it was a good few behind in comfort, instrumentation etc.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 07 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my mind the busa etc look like sports bikes and not tourers.

If given the choice to tour I would take a big trail bike every time, if i wanted a ballistic missile I would take a 1000cc SS like G mentioned almost the same performance but with amazing handling. It leaves the big hyper bikes in a bit of a void IMO.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 07 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its all about the GS now
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 07 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
. Ewan McGregor and Charley Booringman ruined it for everyone.

Opened their big gobs and let the secret out.
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