Cyclists call for 'strict liability' law

[LordShaftesbu...]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22155209

[Eddie Hitler]

"Campaigners, including the mother of a 32-year-old Edinburgh man killed in a collision with a lorry in 2011, said the law would help reduce the number of cyclists killed and injured."

Haha, what a load of dribble. Easier to claim more like. Another typical condescending story from the elite, oh I bow to you cyclists.

[Sako]

well if they make it law for them to start wearing helmets i might start to respect them more, they are happy to preach to others but need to take active steps themselves to become less vulnerable - of the 4 cyclists i passed yesterday not one was wearing a lid on the main road.

[arry]

[keggyhander]

If this happens, best to carry a means of putting them out their misery at the roadside, like one would with a dog or a deer. After all we don't want cyclists to suffer, do we?

[SQL]

[arry]

[headlamp]

On the London streets there are usually two types of cyclists - bad ones and worst ones.

There have been a few deaths recently involving cyclists and if you look at the after math afterwards the lorry (it's usually a lorry) has turned left and not seen the cyclist.

About 40 years I did a cycling proficiency course through an organisation called ROSPA and the three things that stuck with me throughout all those years was, stay on the left, don't jump junctions and be careful about undertaking lorries and cars at junctions.

From what I see everyday cyclists choose to ignore these (and plenty of other) rules. In theory strict liability law is not a bad idea but in practice, until every cyclist has to take out insurance, or take some sort of proficiency test - forget it!
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[Alpha-9]

But they don't pay fucking insurance!
What a load of bollocks.

What will happen is a load of scrotes will start riding into cars and sueing them and automatically winning because drivers cannot prove otherwise, then everyone will start getting dashcams and before you know it we're in mother russia.
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[_mjs_]

So when some daft cunt pedalophile causes a crash like that forum member who had his CB thou knocked over at the lights they get off scot free but proper road users get bumraped by insurance and criminally prosecuted by the courts? Fuck that, if I knock a cyclist off I'll slit their throat for good measure so there's no witnesses
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[Rogerborg]

I've come within a skid mark of being taken out by a cyclopath shooting onto a soaking wet roundabout at the bottom of a steep hill.

The suggestion that these uninsured, untrained, unregistered moving hazards should enjoy a legal benefit of the doubt is so ridiculous as to defy mocking, and I say that as an occasional pedalist.
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[Deano]

I cycle everyday into london and TBH the cyclist are just as bad and TBH I would like some sort of test to be done to put in place some guidelines/rules of how you should ride on the roads. For instance there are plenty of peeps who dont run RED lights but then they will go up the road wobbling all over the lane or in the middle of the road.

I personally run alot of reds because I feel safer when I do. at the front of the queue at junctions peeps overtake and turn left on you before you get a chance to get up to speed. I also hug the curb as not to cause a tailback. If you undertake a lorry then you are asking for trouble.

And if you read it carefully all it is doing is giving the cyclists something to start a case on as normally you have to go through a lengthy legal proceedings which can take years before it goes to court.

everyone can complain about not wearing helmets but if you dont have too why should you, same goes for riding a bike, much more safer to drive a car but we ride a bike instead. Its our choice and I wouldnt be that fussed if they made it law to wear one either.
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[Cyclingbiker]

Cycling as far left as possible, in the gutter essentially, is not really the safest place for any cyclist. Being next to the curb encourages stupidly close overtakes as people think they can squeeze by and also leaves nowhere for the cyclist to retreat to in case of an emergency.

Riding circa 1 meter to the right of the kerb, sort of where the LH tyre of a car runs, is a much safer bet. It discourages close overtakes and gives some spare room to maneuver around potholes, drain covers, debris etc. and allows room to retreat to if a car passes too close.

It doesn't/shouldn't cause tailbacks if motorists were correctly following the highway code, in particular rule 163 and using the image as a guide

Unfortunately not many road users have as much patience to pull it off successfully and insist of passing within the lane with sometime inches to spare. I have had quite a few close calls like this when on the pushbike
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[Turkish]

[illuminateTHE...]

Bollocks...

Some twat on a bmx nearly hit me the other day (well im fine, he ended up on the floor). The lad had some extra aggressive style of pedaling and tried undertaking me whilst going forward at crawling speed. It was hilarious how he clipped my front wheel and ended up planting his face against the bus.
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[Wonko The Sane]

[Eddie Hitler]

[Wonko The Sane]

[AlanC]

I've ridden a bicycle in France where they have this law - like most of the rest of Europe. The difference is pretty staggering. Over the three weeks I got cut up twice: the first time the driver stopped and apologised for the sort of thing I suffer on a daily basis here in Blighty; the second time the car had UK plates.

Given the outrage on here whenever a driver kills a biker and gets away with a slap on the wrist the comments so far seem, well, just a tad ironical.

[Rogerborg]

[Eddie Hitler]

The people pushing for this must be a bit mad? Cyclists do not need to pass any kind of test to use the road, aswell as riding tax free. It's been said, where are the laws regarding bicycle helmets? Like Australia where its compulsory. Totally shambolic.

We then get stick constantly from the media, oh how dangerous motorcyclists are, blahblah. When the vast majority of us have insurance, wear protective gear, have passed ever hardening tests. Boils my piss.

[Turkish]

[LordShaftesbu...]

[AlanC]

[Knightsy]

Ok, so there's that protecting them.
What about protecting us from them? Bicycle third party insurance maybe?
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