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PostPosted: 15:41 - 16 Apr 2013    Post subject: Susie Wolff documentary Reply with quote

Really interesting documentary about Susie Wolff getting into F1... her voice is weird though, definitely Scottish with a touch of Swiss/German thrown in!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rk3bv/Driven_The_Fastest_Woman_in_the_World/
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 16 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, watched that last night and thought it was quite good. She was pretty shit in the German races though (too much pressure?), but she seemed to pull it out of the bag for the F1 test.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 16 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh. she's just the same as the many other women who have been on the verge of getting into F1. She's alright but not good enough to be there on talent alone. Shes involved with the team as she brings a lot of sponsorship and fan interest. The second they find a half decent woman driver she gets shuffled up the ranks far quicker than her talent alone would drive her. eventually they end up in a car and are slow.
It's not their fault, and it's not the case that no woman is ever going to be competitive (Danica Patrick) but the odds are very much against the small number of women in motorsport ever being one of the best 22
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 16 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost wrote:
the many other women who have been on the verge of getting into F1.

[citation needed]
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 16 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only other one I've heard of is old cyclops. I do think women will be at an automatic disadvantage due to the muscular requirement these days. You must need neck muscles of a bull to cope with the high Gs, the hit 6 Gs last weekend Shocked Isn't that pretty close to what astronauts get to?

EDIT: Wiki only lists 5 since 1958:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_Formula_One_drivers
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 16 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
[citation needed]


Recently Maria de Villota[1] was linked with the Maurissa Team. The aforementioned Danica Patrick linked with USF1[2], she was the most credible prospect having won an Indycar race, though it was widely thought that the rules at the time favoured here as the minimum weight rule applied only to the car not the combined car and driver making her the lightest package on the grid. Potentially promising was Katherine Legge's Test for Minardi[3]. Though not seriously considered for a drive Sarah Fisher was given a drive in a Mclaren[3] showing that even the big teams are very much aware of the press and fan interest in female drivers.


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PostPosted: 20:09 - 16 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What also was worth mentioning, was that her husband is a director at Williams. Happens to the be the team that gave her a test! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 16 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Efes123 wrote:
I do think women will be at an automatic disadvantage due to the muscular requirement these days. You must need neck muscles of a bull to cope with the high Gs, the hit 6 Gs last weekend Shocked Isn't that pretty close to what astronauts get to?


Astronaughts get G force pushing them into their seats. In F1 breaking G's try and pull you out of your seat and only the belts stop you flying down to the foot well. Having BOOBIES would be a painful inconvenience.
I don't think strength or stamina are issues i think the issue is the small talent pool. Women suck at F1 for the same reason Liechtenstein suck at football.
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PostPosted: 07:19 - 17 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Frost"]
Efes123 wrote:
Astronaughts get G force pushing them into their seats. In F1 breaking G's try and pull you out of your seat and only the belts stop you flying down to the foot well. Having BOOBIES would be a painful inconvenience.
I don't think strength or stamina are issues i think the issue is the small talent pool. Women suck at F1 for the same reason Liechtenstein suck at football.


I was thinking more about sideways G. As you point out, forward and backward (braking) don't have much to do with muscles, but sideways G means you need pretty good neck muscles to keep your head upright not mashed into the side of the cockpit.

You're right in that there needs to be more women trying the sport, but I don't think there is enough evidence yet to categorically state that women suck at F1. I think you need a bigger sample size than 5.

Not sure the comparison between football & F1 applies. Football is a team game, so therefore you need to find a minimum of 11 people who are very good at something. In F1, there only needs to be one, so despite the small pool to pick from, there's no reason that one person shouldn't be good enough.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 17 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is a reason, it's quite a big branch of mathematics called statistics. Say 1 in 1000 professional racing drivers are good enough for F1. Apply that to the 30 or so professional female drivers and there's a very good chance none will be good enough. My point wasn't that no woman could ever be good enough it was that a smaller selection to choose from is unlikely to deliver a top driver. It's clearly not a discrimination thing as clearly lots of people are very eager to have women in F1. Until there are more women in grass routes racing it won't happen.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 17 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost wrote:
there is a reason, it's quite a big branch of mathematics called statistics.


Now there's your problem. There isn't a big enough selection pot to confidently apply any sort of statistics. There's a formula somewhere, I forget, to work out how many of something you need before your statistic becomes real*

I vaguely remember a professor of mathematics explaining it to me along the following lines; You could walk down a red light district and come across 3 ladies of the night, all three are wearing red coats. And from that statistic you could conclude that every women wearing red is a lady of the night Very Happy


* in so far as any statistic is real.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 17 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're claiming my logic is:
"because none of the 50 or so female racing drivers are good enough we can deduce that all women won't be good enough" ?

Because that's not at all what i was explaining. I said that insufficient numbers of women are racing drivers. This means that there will be few of sufficient talent to make it to F1 on the basis than only a very small percentage of anyone doing anything will be world class at it.
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 17 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck me she is hot!
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PostPosted: 06:20 - 18 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost wrote:
So you're claiming my logic is:
"because none of the 50 or so female racing drivers are good enough we can deduce that all women won't be good enough" ?


Nope. I was responding to your sarcy comment; Thumbs Up

Frost wrote:
there is a reason, it's quite a big branch of mathematics called statistics


Frost wrote:
Because that's not at all what i was explaining. I said that insufficient numbers of women are racing drivers. This means that there will be few of sufficient talent to make it to F1 on the basis than only a very small percentage of anyone doing anything will be world class at it.


Don't get me wrong, I agree with the probability. But, how do you know that women don't have more of whatever it is that makes a great F1 driver? If that were true, then it wouldn't matter if there was a smaller pool. I'm saying that there hasn't been enough professional women drivers to know yet.

How come your figure keeps going up, first 30, now 50? Where are you getting your figures from about professional women drivers? TBH, I suspect there's several thousand, which if true, would make you right Very Happy

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