Stats on DAS graduates getting killed?

Ribenapigeon · Super Spammer Joined: 20 Feb 2012 Karma :

Does anybody have any stats on DAS graduates accident rates? I ask because my brother now wants a bike and he's thinking of doing DAS as its cheaper than going the 125 route. I'm not very happy about this as I'm just not sure my brother would be safe and think he would do better with some 125 experience before he gets a bigger bike. I know a lot of you did DAS or are going that route and your happy with that but I really want my brother to think this out properly and take the safest route possible.

Poseidon · World Chat Champion Joined: 15 Aug 2008 Karma :

You're not his dad. In fact, given the fact he's old enough to do DAS, even if you were his dad, he's old enough to make his own decisions.

I did DAS, passed 5 years ago. I'm still alive. Okay, you might argue that I had an off last year that cost me my collar bone, but that was 4 years after my test and jumping straight on a 750cc bike.
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-LG- · World Chat Champion Joined: 02 Jul 2010 Karma :

Surely he could still get killed on a 125?

I'm yet to die after doing my DAS.

If you are looking for how many people have died from just doing DAS, you'll also need to find those that haven't died from just doing DAS.
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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

Right, stats, that'll persuade him.

Nobody has ever died because they got an A license. They died because they nobbed something up on a bike, or got taken out by a spacker.

To use our local example, Luke checked out at speeds that he could have done on a 125.

I appreciate your concern, but I'd suggest that you focus on persuading him to get a bike that doesn't need ridden at BALLZOUT revs to make progress.
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DrSnoosnoo · World Chat Champion Joined: 28 Mar 2012 Karma :

On the other hand you think it would be safer him get given a day's worth of training and out on a 125 on the big bad roads of England? Teaching himself bad habits on a bike which could be dangerous?
Then when he comes to do tests, he has to learn to ride up to the standards required then falls back into his old ways?

DAS is good, you get somebody following you, teaching you what to do. Neither of the routes make you a more safe / more unsafe rider. Could just as easily kill yourself on a 125 commuter IMO.

If I was you, I'd focus more on making sure he has the right attitude towards bikes. Good luck Thumbs Up

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Ribenapigeon · Super Spammer Joined: 20 Feb 2012 Karma :

To clarify, my brother is the kind of guy to do DAS learn how to "pass" a test then walk into a bike shop and buy the first 100 BHP monster he sees. I need good info to convince him to take things a bit more steadily. I'm not looking for an argument about the merits or not of DAS, as I said in my OP I'm aware many of you will have taken the DAS route and are happy with your choice but my brother is a different matter. I'm not trying to stop him getting a bike I just don't want taking the cheapest route. Not doing DAS does not mean going without training either, he can still get lessons.

Skyblue · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 09 Sep 2012 Karma :

Can't answer that!I did do the DAS route, lessons of two hours at a time & I passed in September.I have now just got to the stage where I feel I am a competent rider.Would it be different if I got a 125 & leant that way.You only get better with the amount of hours on the road I don't think it matters what you ride!Money!I spent a lot on lessons.A 125 you can sell it off.

Lyam · Spanner Monkey Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Karma :

I did DAS, quite suprised im still here ..... nah its all about how he develops on the bike, no need to push a fast bike near its limits to enjoy it, took me 2 years and well over 10k of biking mileage including the french/swiss alps to start really riding my 100bhp sport/tourer bike

there's guys i know who would push and take to many risks from the word go.

Ribenapigeon · Super Spammer Joined: 20 Feb 2012 Karma :

Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

Straight up: could you buy him a GS500F?
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Lyam · Spanner Monkey Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Karma :

classic recipie for disaster then, i know the type you mean and all you can do is hope he doesnt die really, if hes old enough to do das and isnt mature enough to understand the risks of biking then what chance you got, let him be but remind him he'l be getting cremated as its just to exspensive to bury people these days, ask him what he would like his funeral to be like and stuff, tell him to write it down and to make peace with any loose ends he has with other people etc etc.