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Nandonian
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Taking my test soon - will I need lessons? Reply with quote

So I've been riding a ped since I turned 16 and I've been on my new CG for the past two months, commuting to work and back almost everyday as well as going out on the weekends. I passed my theory yesterday so now thinking about doing my A1.

I feel safe when riding however I'm not sure what to do when it comes to taking my test, is it worth getting lessons? I've watched videos on YouTube of how to pass and I don't perform anywhere near as many lifesavers as I should (I do when moving lanes/roundabouts etc, but not every time I set off).
As well as this, I've got a tendency to stop with my right foot down - using the front brake.

Do you think it's best to get lessons or should I just have a bit more practise? I've looked into lessons and I'm looking at a good £180 for a day.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No need to book all day lessons, book a 2 hour one and see how you get on, if you get barked at for not using enough lifesavers etc, then more lessons and or more practice needed.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would always reccomend at least one lesson. Many dont and that fine but at least you can get some tips and pointers regarding where you are making mistakes and where you excel. All the YouTube videos in the world won't make up for a good instructor watching you and giving you feedback.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been quoted £70 for a 2 and a 1/2 hour mod 1 lesson.

It might sound stupid, but could I not just book the real test as it's only £15.50, and if I pass I pass, and if I fail I know what on?
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Financially? No way. The pass rate for the old A2 (equivalent to the new A1) was above 60% for both mod 1 and mod 2. Mod 1 is a total no brainer, just do it until you pass.

Mod 2, you might benefit from some local knowledge, and knowing what the examiners are looking out for - for example, Glasgow Sheildhall are super-gay for unmarked crossroads. But any lesson is going to cost you as much as a go on the test, and you're 100% guaranteed not to get your license during the lesson.

I'd say just go for it, and if you have money left over afterwards, consider doing an IAM or RoSPA course, if they'll have you on a 125.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there

I took a 3hr lesson before my MOD1 and also before my MOD2 even though I had been ridding for a while + whatched a load of you tube vids as well. In the end I would say the lessons were worth it.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I recently passed without any lessons, although i'm late 20's so had a fair bit of car driving under my belt, which helped with road awareness etc. I passed mod 1 first time, and the examiner spotted i was only using front break apart from when i did the emergency avoidance, and stop, and he gave me a good scalding, and said he would have failed me if he could have.

I went away from that determined to use my rear break whenever stopping, and i would tell myself as i set off to work, that i was on test, and to act like it, which i think helped. (i had the same examiner for mod 2 a few months later, but he didn't recognise me, and using both brakes was drilled into me by then, and i passed.

Best of luck whatever you do, but read these forums as they were a gold mine of information for me!
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need traing for the Mod 1, just get carpark time in and drill yourself to do the observations before each manouver. Its cheap and youtube vids are enough.

I wish I had spent a few quid on even just one lesson before my first Mod 2 as I failed on a really dumb part (too slow on a slip road) which an instructor would have prevented. I did pass the second attempt though with only one minor.
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

richwell1983 wrote:
the examiner spotted i was only using front break apart from when i did the emergency avoidance, and stop, and he gave me a good scalding, and said he would have failed me if he could have.

He couldn't though, so I'd hope that you told him to get fucked and go and work as an instructor if he wants to instruct.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 27 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
He couldn't though, so I'd hope that you told him to get fucked and go and work as an instructor if he wants to instruct.


i was itching to! Although it was amusing watching the look of realisation when i reminded him of our earlier encounter just after he'd signed my mod 2 check sheet as a pass Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tests are easy peasy. If you've lasted this long without putting yourself under the wheels of a car, passing should be pretty easy.

Quick flick through the highway code if you're worrying, then jobs a gooden!
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PostPosted: 00:52 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did mine before all the mod 1 mod 2 stuff.

I just booked 2 x 2 hour lessons and an hour before my test, rang the instructor and he seemed pretty pissed that I already had a test date booked but did it anyway, first lesson went terribly, second went better, passed first time with 2 minors.

So I'd book some, it helps get you up to test standard.
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PostPosted: 01:34 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really surprised at some of the replies, advising to just go for it without lessons on a bigger bike. It's late so maybe I am missing something, but are you really saying just go for the test without lessons?

I must be missing something... time for a re-read Thinking
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PostPosted: 01:43 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I passed with no lessons, as have many others on this forum Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:55 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
I passed with no lessons, as have many others on this forum Thumbs Up


On a bigger bike than you where used to? I mean you would have to get used to the throttle before hand at least? Where you given some time before the test to do that?

Surprised, do you have to have a certain time on a two wheeler in general to be eligible for the insta-test method?
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PostPosted: 02:26 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sat my tests under the old rules; 125 for an A licence on my own bike. None of this testing on a bigger bike stuff. Ride there, take test, pass like a boss, ride home.

After my test, I hopped on to a 33bhp machine easily though. Even a 120bhp bike was easy to ride. Easier if anything. Throttle takes seconds to adjust to unless you're riding seriously fast... which you can't do on test/a lot of roads. Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsphaltAddict46 wrote:
advising to just go for it without lessons on a bigger bike.

OP said "A1" and CG = 125cc.

But...

AsphaltAddict46 wrote:
It's late so maybe I am missing something, but are you really saying just go for the test without lessons?

Sure, why not?

Our whole licensing scheme is a bass ackwards joke. We do a couple of hours wobbling round a car park and a road (maybe even on scooter) and can then ride soLo on 125s capable of 100mph innit 70mph.

Then we do theory, and then we do tests. 17 and 18 year olds can now only test on and get a license to ride the exact same bike that they've been riding around on L plates.

Doing the tests doesn't magically make you any safer or better, it's just a box to tick. And the content is exactly the same for every category, so the bike isn't even that relevant, despite the belief of the ignorant OCD pigeonholers who dream up licensing laws. There's a good argument to be made that doing them on a bigger bike to get a higher category makes the tests easier, which is insane in the membrane.

If you're safe enough to ride around on a 125, then what's the big deal about scoring a bigger bike, doing a little bit of "private road" practice on it, then doing your tests on it?
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I passed both Mod 1 and 2 first time with zero lessons. Its really not that difficult to be honest. Mod1 is just a test of nerve ( and a little bit of skill) and mod2 is just a ride out where you just have to prove youre not a danger to yourself or anyone else.

Just do a bit of research on the net as to what the examiners are looking for....especially on the Mod1 you want to see exactly what you need to do...and theres some really good videos on Youtube for this.

As others have said...theres really nothing difficult in any of the tests, its pretty basic stuff. On my Mod2 I felt it was the worst id ridden since I took my cbt, but surprisingly I still passed. So theres really nothing to fret about.

Best of luck anyway.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lessons are so fucking dear. Jesus christ. Was a time when pretty much anyone could enjoy bikes - increasingly it's just old bastards like myself who can afford it. You pull up at these biker cafes and the average age is about 58. Used to be 18. Fucks sake.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned alot of valuble lessons from the instructors when i done my das course, would definately recomend further training even if you do pass with no lessons
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lyam wrote:
I learned alot of valuble lessons from the instructors when i done my das course, would definately recomend further training even if you do pass with no lessons


I'm a firm believer that you can teach it all to yourself providing that you apply some intelligence to riding and study the road.

But then again, I'm seriously independent.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Training do I need before I take the tests?

If you have been riding a year or more and ent dead or crippled... you have probably been doing all that's required of you on test, every day, twice a day......

Whether it will impress an examiner or not is another matter....

Training is not JUST to pass tests....

Its tools and know-how to help you not hurt yourself.

THAT's the sort of safety kit you cant put a price on.

For tests? Certainly cant hurt to do some, even if its not 'essential'.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the insight guys. You are meaning get some practice on a private road before the test, instead of paying an arm and a leg for lessons?

I feel that would be necessary since you do your Mod 1 and 2 on a 500cc (I think, right?) and that's a good jump from my wee 125. Again I don't feel I would need lessons on anything other than the throttle, wouldn't want to agree to jumping into the test and I get to a junction and the bike zips out from beneath me.

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PostPosted: 18:03 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Granted I'd been riding a couple of 250-class bikes in between, but when I swapped my HN for the GPZ, I got off the 125, jumped on the 500 for an end-of-the-road-and-back test ride, and after 200 yards I genuinely felt confident on it.

That's a smallish 500 though, it'll be dependent on the rider and the bike. Get one that suits, and it's no trouble at all to step up. You'll love the feeling of stability. Give it a try.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool stuff man, I'll probably do the half day course before I go for the test but at least I know I don't need to spend 500 quid just to get my license.
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