Failed CBT..Retake on auto?

[binfieldx]

I know that alot of people will say how did you fail your CBT twice etc but I'm not sure what it is I don't think I have the correct balance on the 125's trying to pair that with all the gearing and brakes/indicators etc always just throws me off on the last bit just before they take you out on the roads...Today I even dropped the bike as when I stopped I didn't firmly place my foot down and the bike toppled on me slightly(I'm quite short and not even heavy enough to push the bike onto the stand! I was literally jumping on the stand and it wouldn't roll back the instructor said I'm always going to struggle with that because I'm not very heavy).

The instructor requested I try doing a couple of laps on the auto moped and I wizzed around at 20-30 on it no problem? It was much lighter and really easy to use compared to the geared bike I could do everything I was struggling with on the geared bike on it with ease..My question is can I take the CBT on the 50cc moped and then ride a geared bike outside?

My plan is to pass the CBT then find a nice geared bike for myself and have an experienced friend ride it back to my garage, once there I have all the time in the world to take the bike out around my quiet neighborhood and practice with gears etc in my own time and I will have as much as I like...I can't afford to keep forking out £80 for two hours training to keep failing it. I would say I have the basic training for geared bikes now after doing two sets of training on the geared one I just feel I need alot more time on it for my own confidence and practicing on quiet roads going up and down for as long as I like, then slowly progressing onto slightly more busy roads will help with this.

[Rogerborg]

[binfieldx]

[Joeval]

Yep.

I made a complete balls up of my CBT with a manual bike. Went back, did it on an auto scooter, and breezed through.

Once you've got the cbt, you can always go back to your test centre for a couple of hours of work on a geared bike, without the routine or targets of a cbt to worry about.
Or, get someone to ride a geared bike to you, so you can give it a run around on roads you know well.
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[Matt B]

Some people just struggle on the geared bikes, you pop them on a ped and away they go. It happens, and at the end of the day you need that DL196 so get it however you can.

Do it on the moped, get your CBT done and then practice in your own time, in a quiet place on your geared bike. I reckon you will find that without the added pressure of the school environment it will all work out OK.
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[blurredman]

I did mine on a moped..


I then learned gears in my own time on a CG that I had bought..


But then again, I did already have a car licence, so I knew how it all worked, but getting used to it on a bike can take time, Half a day isn't always long enough!
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Past: 1991 Honda CG125BR-J, 1992 (1980) Honda XL125S, 1996 Kawasaki GPZ500S, 1979 MZ TS150.
Current: 1973 MZ ES250/2 - 18k, 1979 Suzuki TS185ER - 10k, 1981 Honda CX500B - 91k, 1987 MZ ETZ250 (295cc) - 40k, 1989 MZ ETZ251 - 52k.

[cromwell]

Do it on the ped, learn in your own time on a geared bike, some people don't enjoy the pressure of knowing you have to have it nailed in half a day which can be hard for someone with no experience of gears.
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[thepuma]

Yeah just redo it on the moped. No shame in it really, all you want is that bloody cbt certificate so you can get on with your biking life.

Once you've passed then get yourself a 125cc and get riding it round to gain some experience. Maybe start somewhere quiet on a sunday morning till you get used to the balance amd changing gears etc etc. Thats what I did when I first started and it worked wonders for me.

Best of luck anyway..let us know how you get on.
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[Polarbear]

Industrial estates on a Sunday, and supermarket car parks after they close are wonderful places to practice. As said, get your CBT then get a bike and practice. It will come
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[Teflon-Mike]

Think hard.
You have a 'problem'... or two; you have identified that much.
1/ Manual handling - you cant get even a tiddler on it's centre stand..... yet.
2/ Co-Ordinating gears & Clutch
3/ Slow Speed Control & significantly footing at a stop.

You say you are little, and your instructor suggests you may always struggle with Manual Handling and possibly slow-speed control and footing.....

I'm sanguine on that notion. Bottom line, you shouldn't. Some can master such things with technique. Few shorties on here will tell you they can ride bigger bikes.... but you are struggling with a little 125.

I have a little lillipution freind who cant be six stone wringing wet, and I don't think she has ever had to pay VAT on her cloths, becouse she's never grown out of childs sizes!

She used to ride an old Meriden Triumph Bonaville; Hefty kickstart beast of old, as an every day rider Used to put the boys to shame, the apparent ease she put that on its stand or hefted the kick-start! It CAN be done.....

But the question is can YOU do it?

And, probably as important.... do you WANT to do it?

Yeah... you have a plan. Side-step the frustration of failure by doing CBT on a twist and go, to get your DL196.... then get your own bike and practice, practice practice.

Could work..... and good on you for wanting to try and not being put off.

BUT... saying you dont want to be a danger to any-one; you aren't really, are you.

CBT compulsary basic training isn't a test, its a lesson. You are in a controlled enviroment, with a qualified instructor on hand to offer help and advice and assistance if needed.

You go practice solo, even in a car-park, you wont have that back-up; you'll be on your own.

And I do wonder, whether if you make mistakes, with no one to tell you whether you are doing good or bad, or to offer advice, you may simply carry on, muffing stuff, getting more and more frustrated, until bike gets put away, possibly with a broken brake lever or something, and you just loose heart, and that enthusiasm you have at the minute to master it.

In that potentiality; £80 CBT courses, are could be less wasted money than the £100's spent on a bike, insurance and gear, to get you no further forwards. And with the proffessional advice and assistance, may be more likely to get you where you want to go.

I can see the frustration and worry, about the money; but its about recognising the 'value' in what you buy.

Bike is just a bike. Metal and Plastic. Little more. A bike cant 'teach' you how to ride, no more than owning a piston ring compressor can teach you to rebuild an engine. Its just a tool, some-how you still need to aquire the know-how to use it.

Lessons... no, you dont get much if anything you can see, or hold, or touch, or show any-one. BUT, you get know-how. Goes in your head, and once there, is there a life time. Never wears out; costs nothing to run, and works on ANY bike you will ever own.

And I like to offer the suggestion to value it by; How much is a crash hat worth? £50? £100? £150? Yeah you can see a crash-hat, you can touch a crash-hat, but whats it WORTH?

Value comes from doing its job. Saving your head if you fall off.

Which means it only has value IF you fall off, AND if you bump your head. And one bump? Well, its spent. Used up. Chuck it in the bin. Good value if its done its job.

BUT, training. Harder to 'see' the value; but how much is it worth to NOT fall off and to NOT need that crash hat?

Very hard to count the number of times you DONT fall off.....

But THAT is the value in training.

And I have to say, an £80 CBT course, the stuff you are tought in that, that SO OFTEN will save you falling off, and give the same value and more, than a £80 crash helmet, time over time over time over time....... HAS to be good value for money.

So... how do those thoughts effect your thinking on your plan?

Getting a CBT cert is only part of the problem here; the bigger one is, here and now, you cant ride a motorbike. Sorry to put it brutally, but face facts. You just cant do it.

So whats the 'best' way to get that know how, and gain that skill so you CAN ride a motorbike?

Going it alone, trial end error.... its called the school of hard knocks.... and with good reason. Do you have enough enthusiasm to ride through them knocks and keep trying and trying and trying again, until you get it right... on your own?

THAT I think is the big question.

Your plan, I think, is probably fairly sound. End of the day in days of yore, it's how we learned when there was no such thing as CBT. But... bit of training could still go a long way to help.
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[Ayrton]

Do it again on a geared bike, that way you wont risk damaging your own and you will get the training you need. I did my CBT 4 times before i passed.

[Rogerborg]

I was going to suggest looking at a YBR125 custom, for the confidence inspiring low height. I believe that doesn't even come with a centre stand. "Problem" solved.
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