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Wonko The Sane
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: How do I tighten chain ensuring wheel stays straight? Reply with quote

My Varadero needs it's chain tightening but it doesn't have a centre stand and I don't have a paddock stand so I'm not sure how to ensure that the wheel alignment stays straight.

Is the best thing to do, to have a mate sit on the bike so it's upright?

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PostPosted: 20:03 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

turn chain adjusters the same amount on both sides.

This won't keep the alignment correct, but it will keep it the same as it was before
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rear wheel doesn't necessarily have to be off the ground. You could slacken slightly the axle nut then work the adjusters each side as normal. Side stand adjustment isn't a problem

My adjustment marker notches on my bike seem to keep it straight enough for my needs.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was always under the impression it's not good to do it on the side stand, however upon reading my workshop manual that's how it says to do it.

As said above, assuming it is already in alignment, turn the bolts by the same amount. Remove all distractions whilst you do this, otherwise you'll end up forgetting which one you did last and sending the wheel out of alignment!
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a big mate to lift it off the ground by leaning it on the side stand and pulling on the seat rails. It only takes a minute to tighten the adjusters and make sure you tighten the axle bolt properly afterwards.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark the chain bolts so you can make each side equal?

https://www.webbikeworld.com/ducati-motorcycles/multistrada-620/chain-adjustment/multistrada-chain-adjustment-bolt.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once you have adjusted the tensioners equally make sure the assembly is hard against them by putting a small piece of wood in the chain at the bottom of the sprocket, rotate the wheel forward to take-up slack. then tighten the axle bolt.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure there aren't chain adjustment marks on each side of your swing arm where the adjustment bolts are? Can't imagine there'd be a modern bike without them, just seems retarded.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

the muck on the swing arm makes a good guide!

it's pretty much even, possibly 1/4 to 1/2 a turn out so hopefully ok, and hopefully tight enough too!
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tape measure > alignment marks for doing wheel alignment.

But as said, just turn adjuster nuts the same amount each side.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adjust your chain and measure the exact distance between the centre of the swingarm spindle and the centre of the rear wheel spindle on each side of the bike. They should be exactly the same - if they aren't, then adjust them until they are.

Beg steal borrow or even buy a paddock stand - it'll make it so much simpler.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can also buy a little lazer that you put flat on your rear sprocket, point it towards the chain and it should run along the outermost side of the chain, providing it does and the lazer doesnt veer into the centre of the chain the alignment will be fine, and in turn, your sprocket wont get fucked.

There is also a method with string but fuck that. The lazer is only about 5 quid and if it can stop yer sprocket getting ruined then why not Smile
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsphaltAddict46 wrote:
You can also buy a little lazer that you put flat on your rear sprocket, point it towards the chain and it should run along the outermost side of the chain, providing it does and the lazer doesnt veer into the centre of the chain the alignment will be fine, and in turn, your sprocket wont get fucked.

There is also a method with string but fuck that. The lazer is only about 5 quid and if it can stop yer sprocket getting ruined then why not Smile


And how do you guarantee that the laser is correctly collimated each and every time? Built to that price they aren't going to be built with accuracy in mind. Laughing

Spend the £5 on a decent steel tape measure - far more accurate, far more reliable. Wink
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:

Beg steal borrow or even buy a paddock stand - it'll make it so much simpler.


Hopefully at the end of this week I'll have sold the bike and got my ZZR working which has a centre stand.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsphaltAddict46 wrote:


It's built specifically for doing this. You can do the same with a bit of string and a tape measure, or you can put the lazer flat on the rear sprocket and save yerself a pain in the arse. If money is such an important point then are you talking about buying an expensive tape measure here? Rolling Eyes

Not to mention there is no room for misjudgement with the lazer, it's either on the right part of the chain, or it's not. Simples.


I'm an astronomer. One of the things I have to do is collimate optics. There are laser devices for doing this and the cheap ones come in at £40ish - guess what? They're often badly collimated in themselves and take a massive amount of messing about with to make them even slightly accurate. The expensive ones cost hundreds and even then need regular checking. What I use is a £25 sight tube with permanently set crosshairs - accurate every time.

A £5 laser device isn't going to be great. A £5 steel tape will be far better. Razz

Technology has a habit of providing unnecessary answers to problems that have far simpler solutions.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
Once you have adjusted the tensioners equally make sure the assembly is hard against them by putting a small piece of wood in the chain at the bottom of the sprocket, rotate the wheel forward to take-up slack. then tighten the axle bolt.



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PostPosted: 22:13 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a steel rule to measure the length of the thread that is showing on the adjuster and make sure both sides are equal

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PostPosted: 22:16 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
AsphaltAddict46 wrote:


It's built specifically for doing this. You can do the same with a bit of string and a tape measure, or you can put the lazer flat on the rear sprocket and save yerself a pain in the arse. If money is such an important point then are you talking about buying an expensive tape measure here? Rolling Eyes

Not to mention there is no room for misjudgement with the lazer, it's either on the right part of the chain, or it's not. Simples.


I'm an astronomer. One of the things I have to do is collimate optics. There are laser devices for doing this and the cheap ones come in at £40ish - guess what? They're often badly collimated in themselves and take a massive amount of messing about with to make them even slightly accurate. The expensive ones cost hundreds and even then need regular checking. What I use is a £25 sight tube with permanently set crosshairs - accurate every time.

A £5 laser device isn't going to be great. A £5 steel tape will be far better. Razz

Technology has a habit of providing unnecessary answers to problems that have far simpler solutions.


I definitely agree with your last sentence there, but isn't the lazers your talking about/using for space-shit? Aye, space shit, been up since 6am lol.

Put it this way, I have had said lazer for half a year now, I tighten my chain often and have tested the lazers accuracy using the tape measure method - the tape measure has always produced the same results as the lazer, but the tape measure took longer.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it fine to adjust my chain while its up on the paddock stand? Wouldn't it naturally tighten the chain while up on the stand meaning it could be too tight after adjustment when off stand?


Anyone understand or do I sound like a nub?
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's absolutely fine to adjust your chain on a paddock stand - in fact it's the easiest way. Just make sure you measure the slack in the middle of the bottom run and make sure you measure it at the tightest point of the chain. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only got the stand a few weeks ago, best bit of kit I've bought in ages!
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a ruler Smile srsly Smile
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Supermoto_Fan wrote:
Only got the stand a few weeks ago, best bit of kit I've bought in ages!


You should try an Abba stand then. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
It's absolutely fine to adjust your chain on a paddock stand - in fact it's the easiest way. Just make sure you measure the slack in the middle of the bottom run and make sure you measure it at the tightest point of the chain. Thumbs Up


To my knowledge, and perhaps it may be model specific, but I always measure the chain slack and adjust with both wheels of the bike on the ground so that the chain is at a truer tension. Some people even recommend measuring it with someone sitting on the bike. I'd think measuring the slack with the rear wheel off the ground on a paddock stand will give a false reading and you'll end up with an over tight chain which will stretch/wear excessively. Perhaps someone with more knowledge on the subject can confirm or correct that?
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