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Ripp3rCrust
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Chain Tools Reply with quote

Hi,

Recently ordered a new DID chain and sprocket set for the Bandit 600 as the current set are knackered. I am a little unsure as to how to go about replacing them however.

The master-link currently on seems to be sort of a hollow rivet type. Am I correct in thinking that this will need to be ground off using a Dremel/angle-grinder before using a chain tool to attach the new one? Or is it possible to use a good quality chain breaker/riveter to do this?
If so can anybody suggest one that is capable of doing both tasks (the lower price the better), alternatively, would the Dremel 3000 plus a cheaper chain riveter tool be up to the job?

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PostPosted: 18:49 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

do the cheaper option unless you're going to be breaking and joining chains regularly, I got mine from a trade suppliers, made by beta and it was £180....
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not worth the investment unless you have a shed full of bikes. Or are pedant about DIY.
A garage will charge about £20 to fit a chain on for you.
A proper chain tool will set you back about £100. They can be got for less but the more you spend the better the tool and easier to use.
Nothing worse than a riveter that shits it's sel on the first rivet job which the cheap ones regularly do.

There are much better bit of kit to invest in which you can use more often i.e. a good pressure washer, abba stand and cetera.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 03 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grinder/dremel to get the chain off, two hammers (or hammer and dolly) to rivet back on - be careful though,don't want the link too tight Smile
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PostPosted: 06:13 - 04 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Chain Tools Reply with quote

Ripp3rCrust wrote:
Hi,

Recently ordered a new DID chain and sprocket set for the Bandit 600 as the current set are knackered. I am a little unsure as to how to go about replacing them however.

The master-link currently on seems to be sort of a hollow rivet type. Am I correct in thinking that this will need to be ground off using a Dremel/angle-grinder before using a chain tool to attach the new one? Or is it possible to use a good quality chain breaker/riveter to do this?
If so can anybody suggest one that is capable of doing both tasks (the lower price the better), alternatively, would the Dremel 3000 plus a cheaper chain riveter tool be up to the job?

Thanks.


The whale chain tool is a fantastic piece of kit, they will last a life time and are a pleasure to use. Ive had one for years, its expensive but has paid for itself over and over.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Whale-Chain-Breaking-and-Riveting-Tool-/220812874227?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item33697911f3
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 04 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
It's not worth the investment unless you have a shed full of bikes. Or are pedant about DIY.
A garage will charge about £20 to fit a chain on for you.


Hmm that's what I was suspecting. I think I will get a garage to do it for me then, do you reckon it will be substantially more getting the sprockets replaced too as it is a 'wheel-off' job?

Fisty wrote:

The whale chain tool is a fantastic piece of kit, they will last a life time and are a pleasure to use. Ive had one for years, its expensive but has paid for itself over and over.


I would love one of these but due to being broke I cannot justify purchasing one unfortunately! I think it is definitely something I will be saving up for and investing in, however, in the future.

Stickybackbob wrote:

Grinder/dremel to get the chain off, two hammers (or hammer and dolly) to rivet back on - be careful though,don't want the link too tight


Would this actually work? Surely if you are not flaring the rivet on the master link there is the potential that the cover plate can come off whilst riding?

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PostPosted: 16:25 - 04 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The two hammer method has always worked fine for me. Changed many chains over the years from big singles to inline 4's. Never had a chain come off.

Holding one hammer (or dolly) behind the master link, use a ball pein hammer to deform the rivet end. Once the end is deformed, the cover chain can't come off.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 04 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got this -

https://www.bitzforbikes.co.uk/Chain_Cutter_And_Riveting_Tool.-ref-2744-50.html

Worked perfectly for the new chain on my zx, says it can break the chain but I just did it with grinder and punch. Riveted it a treat. Would recommend Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 04 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

R-Johnny wrote:
I got this -

https://www.bitzforbikes.co.uk/Chain_Cutter_And_Riveting_Tool.-ref-2744-50.html

Worked perfectly for the new chain on my zx, says it can break the chain but I just did it with grinder and punch. Riveted it a treat. Would recommend Thumbs Up


Cheers, that looks excellent. May invest in that. Does it come with just what is in the picture or are there additional pins that come with it? Do you reckon it is worth purchasing an angle grinder/Dremel as well to remove the rivet heads first?

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PostPosted: 06:53 - 05 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ripp3rCrust wrote:


Does it come with just what is in the picture or are there additional pins that come with it? Do you reckon it is worth purchasing an angle grinder/Dremel as well to remove the rivet heads first?

Thanks


No you get what's in the pic, plus some very simple instructions. But it's a very solid thing and it should be all you need.
The pin is reversible for when it comes to splaying the rivet link, and the separate plate is used for pushing the side plate home. You will need a couple of big spanners for when it comes to the riveting, a 19mm and I think a 27mm ( I'm not entirely sure as I didn't have a standard spanner big enough so used a sizeable adjustable ).

The angle grinder did make the job of removing the old master link very simple and it meant I didn't risk breaking the pin on the breaker. It looks strong enough to handle it without though.
However if you can find a cheap one I would as its always quite useful to have a grinder around, but I don't want to tell you what to do with your pennies.

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PostPosted: 07:17 - 05 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

R-Johnny wrote:
I got this -

https://www.bitzforbikes.co.uk/Chain_Cutter_And_Riveting_Tool.-ref-2744-50.html

Worked perfectly for the new chain on my zx, says it can break the chain but I just did it with grinder and punch. Riveted it a treat. Would recommend Thumbs Up



I've got this one too, I wouldn't recommend using it to break the chain, I did and it deformed the pin a bit, easily fixed with an angle grinder!
It riveted the chain perfectly though!
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 05 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys, think I will be purchasing this then. Hopefully one of my friends or someone has an angle grinder I can borrow.

If not, do you think this plus a suitable disk would be sufficient:
https://www.diy.com/nav/fix/power-tools/grinding-routing/angle_grinders/Direct-Power-4-and-a-half-inch-Angle-Grinder-230V-11537699

Alternatively, is there any sort of drill-bit you can purchase for grinding that will fit in a conventional power drill?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 05 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

And watch where the disk goes - you don't want to end up cutting into your swingarm or anything. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 05 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again for the replies, I shall bear this in mind!

Islander wrote:
And watch where the disk goes - you don't want to end up cutting into your swingarm or anything. Wink


Is that coming from experience? Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 05 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ripp3rCrust wrote:
Thanks again for the replies, I shall bear this in mind!

Islander wrote:
And watch where the disk goes - you don't want to end up cutting into your swingarm or anything. Wink


Is that coming from experience? Laughing


No, just an overactive imagination and a firm belief in Sod's law. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cashhead wrote:
R-Johnny wrote:
I got this -

https://www.bitzforbikes.co.uk/Chain_Cutter_And_Riveting_Tool.-ref-2744-50.html

Worked perfectly for the new chain on my zx, says it can break the chain but I just did it with grinder and punch. Riveted it a treat. Would recommend Thumbs Up



I've got this one too, I wouldn't recommend using it to break the chain, I did and it deformed the pin a bit, easily fixed with an angle grinder!
It riveted the chain perfectly though!



I bought this one last week, went to use it and the horse-shoe part is deforming, I had to get a mate to keep it braced open with a chisel, I can hear them now when I phone up and say it's dodgy one Sad
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pockets wrote:
I bought this one last week, went to use it and the horse-shoe part is deforming, I had to get a mate to keep it braced open with a chisel, I can hear them now when I phone up and say it's dodgy one Sad


Kin hell !? Were you trying to break the chain or rivet it?

If breaking it fair enough, I think we have come to the conclusion that. Grinder will be the better option.

If you were riveting and it bent and its the very same one I'd say either you got a highly dodgy one or you now have a link that will not move Shocked but I trust your judgment that you didn't do that Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

R-Johnny wrote:
Pockets wrote:
I bought this one last week, went to use it and the horse-shoe part is deforming, I had to get a mate to keep it braced open with a chisel, I can hear them now when I phone up and say it's dodgy one Sad


Kin hell !? Were you trying to break the chain or rivet it?

If breaking it fair enough, I think we have come to the conclusion that. Grinder will be the better option.

If you were riveting and it bent and its the very same one I'd say either you got a highly dodgy one or you now have a link that will not move Shocked but I trust your judgment that you didn't do that Thumbs Up


You have to be careful what rivet you rivet. Some are harder than others so don't before so easily and need.propane HD kit to set them.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember with most of the cheaper tools. They won't break a chain, and for those that read the instruction will note that it says to cut the head of the rivet off before pushing the rivet out with the tool
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:47 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have the d.i.d chain tool listed above and it does say in the instructions it can break chains, however i wouldn't break a chain without first grinding the heads off the rivet first. You can do it fine with a dremel type tool but its a lot faster with a proper grinder.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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