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PostPosted: 07:19 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: unmarked police bike Reply with quote

there's an unmarked police bike about in Yorkshire, its s black BMW k1300 and the rider is in all black. I saw it parked up in Pickering with the usual hidden blue lights and cameras, don't have the registration as I didn't want to be seen looking too closely. just to let you guys know
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems black K1300s are quite popular as unmarked police bikes. I've seen one on the A35, not sure if it belonged to Hampshire or Dorset police though, it was pretty much near the border.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No doubt he will be riding about like a dick and egging on other riders to race then doing them for it.
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought you don't have to stopped for an unmarked car/bike as it could be anyone ?
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lights and sirens are a bit of a give away Thinking
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's an unmarked black Fireblade and a Red VFR(new one) with Bike Safe stickers all over it around Cambridgeshire.

Was speaking to the guys that sold it to the police at Honda, both wear black leathers with white helmets and aren't generally too nice with their lettings off, i.e. they don't let you off!
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dransy wrote:
I thought you don't have to stopped for an unmarked car/bike as it could be anyone ?


I'm not sure if you do or not, but if you don't a marked vehicle would promptly turn up anyway.
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen an Unmarked Piaggio MP3 once near Richmond lol
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moral of this story is be careful around a quick bike with a rider with a white helmet (as it's their work helmet with all the comms bits fitted) who may also possibly be wearing hi-viz (as instructed by the health and safety officer Confused).


...in summary the white helmet is normally a bit of a clue.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen an Unmarked Piaggio MP3 once near Richmond lol
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dransy wrote:
I thought you don't have to stopped for an unmarked car/bike as it could be anyone ?


You only have to stop for a marked police vehicle where the officer is in uniform under s.163 Road Traffic Act.

There is case law where an unmarked police vehicle attempted to stop a stolen car and it failed to stop and the driver WAS guilty of failing to stop but the issue is not exactly clear.

My advice would be if you are alone on a country road or something with an unmarked vehicle trying to stop you, then acknowledge their presence and continue to a public place. You will never be found guilty of failing to stop if you do this.

In reality, failing to stop for an unmarked unit will just have them requesting air support and every marked unit on the borough to come and stop you.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This guy didn't have a white helmet... it was either grey or silver... didn't see a logo but had a pointy-down chin like a lot of AGVs do
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fnatic wrote:
In reality, failing to stop for an unmarked unit will just have them requesting air support and every marked unit on the borough to come and stop you.

I'd count that as "taking one for the team." Wink

The whole issue is a bit muddy. Up in Caledonia, the Police Complaints Commissioner ballsed it up and had to apologise to Strathclyde fuzz.

The plain language of the law remains that while any copper can try and stop you, it's only an offence to fail to stop for a constable in uniform. Whether the vehicle is marked or has lights and sirens should (strictly) make no difference.

But really? "Biker" brings a presumption of guilt and harsher punishment into court, and I'll cheerfully state that as a fact rather than an opinion.

If I was tugged by a trollcop, I'd stop and deal with it. You're not going to get away or make the situation any better by playing clever.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Fnatic wrote:
In reality, failing to stop for an unmarked unit will just have them requesting air support and every marked unit on the borough to come and stop you.

I'd count that as "taking one for the team." Wink

The whole issue is a bit muddy. Up in Caledonia, the Police Complaints Commissioner ballsed it up and had to apologise to Strathclyde fuzz.

The plain language of the law remains that while any copper can try and stop you, it's only an offence to fail to stop for a constable in uniform. Whether the vehicle is marked or has lights and sirens should (strictly) make no difference.

But really? Biker bring a presumption of guilt and harsher punishment into court, and I'll cheerfully state that as a fact rather than an opinion.

If I was tugged by a trollcop, I'd stop and deal with it. You're not going to get away or make the situation any better by playing clever.


It's reasonable to assume that a marked police vehicle will contain officers in full uniform and an unmarked police vehicle will not. The two are kind of coupled in the interpretation and application of s.163 by the courts from the few (2-3) cases I have read.
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
...If I was tugged by a trollcop, I'd stop and deal with it. You're not going to get away or make the situation any better by playing clever.

I'm presuming here that 'playing clever' includes at least asking to see a warrant card?
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fnatic wrote:

It's reasonable to assume that a marked police vehicle will contain officers in full uniform and an unmarked police vehicle will not. The two are kind of coupled in the interpretation and application of s.163 by the courts from the few (2-3) cases I have read.



Most unmarked cars Ive seen had uniformed cops in... and most of the police interceptors in SYPD seem to wear uniform, or at least the police tshirt and vest when in the unmarked cars
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I got my S59 it was from a plain black 05 plate Fireblade with an Oxford tankbag and rider in plain black leathers with Alpinestars boots and Black patterned AGV helmet. The only clues he was police was a small (3" x 1") police patch sewn on the front of his 2 piece and a small box with button ( I presume for radio) connected to his chest.

From 10 yards you wouldn't have thought he was police at all, let alone filming you.

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PostPosted: 12:43 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fnatic wrote:
... the interpretation and application of s.163 by the courts from the few (2-3) cases I have read.

Section 163 of the Road Traffic Act
The Government in the RTA s.163 wrote:
163 Power of police to stop vehicles.
(1)A person driving a [F1 mechanically propelled vehicle] on a road must stop the vehicle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform [F2 or a traffic officer].
(2)A person riding a cycle on a road must stop the cycle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform [F3 or a traffic officer].
(3)If a person fails to comply with this section he is guilty of an offence.

You will note the amendments (F2, F3) "or a traffic officer". However, this added to allow the Highways Agency traffic officers, who are not police officers, to direct traffic etc. when required. Traffic Officers are clearly identified as such (by, you'll be surprised by this, their uniform).
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohhh

So that's why they have the silver MET cars with the tiny blue sticker on the side... so it's technically "marked" Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no offence for failing to stop for an unmarked unit, however it would be treated as a failing to stop and marked units would be on you pretty quickly. It's highly unlikely that the officers won't be wearing any from of uniform though.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not seen any suspect unmarked bikes yet, I either can't spot them or they aren't common around Beds, Herts and Bucks. Plenty of marked up cop cars sitting around this weekend, but no bother from any of them. From my experience, Beds Police are pretty sound, hope my views stay the same over the summer!

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PostPosted: 13:11 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ollie1995 wrote:
There's shit loads of em on silver/grey hayabusa's between York and Scarborough, usually all single tone colours.

Are there a lot of decent routes up that way that attract a lot of bikers from around the country? Easy pickings I guess, goad the out of area bikers and then wind them all in.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

cromwell wrote:
Scootaloo wrote:
Ohhh

So that's why they have the silver MET cars with the tiny blue sticker on the side... so it's technically "marked" Rolling Eyes


They don't count as marked units as they don't have sirens and lights, they're just appointment cars and for attending non urgent calls. The real Q Cars are completely unmarked but with the usual lights/sirens in the grills.

There is no offence for failing to stop for an unmarked unit, however it would be treated as a failing to stop and marked units would be on you pretty quickly. It's highly unlikely that the officers won't be wearing any from of uniform though.


I am not sure, but I thought 'uniform' meant full uniform although plain clothed officers do get issued with hi-viz police caps that they put on upon identifying themselves.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was giving it large down the M2, I was tugged by an unmarked R1, all black, all black gear, black lid... only thing different was indicators on mirrors had blue lights, along with standard indicators fitted on the fairing.

He did say, check for the cable by my left side next time. After obviously bullying me with how I killed kittens and posed a huge threat to humanity in my car. Laughing
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