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iMark
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Assault charges, pleaded not guilty, confessions on facebook Reply with quote

So, my mother got battered in the pub.

The person is denying the assault and pleaded not guilty but has confessed to it all on Facebook via Private Messages to two separate people.

A little bird has sent me pictures of these conversations, they are cropped to the conversation only but would that stand as evidence in court?
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The screenshots alone, I doubt it very much - you could have just signed up accounts under those names and written it yourself.

Facebook will log most things but whether the police care enough to try find the information... well. I'll let you answer that one for yourself.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt the pictures would, but the police can request to view the messages I believe if they request. So if you showed the messages to the police, see where they can take it from there?
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been quite a few cases where the authorities have followed up and prosecuted motorists that have been indiscreet on 'tnet though I'm not sure that they would bother with something as trivial as assault and battery.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting replies, I'll see what happens, not due in court until December Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 06 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The police must have had enough evidence to charge the assault, so there must be a decent case anyway. If there are independent witnesses, CCTV and similar then he hasn't got much chance of getting out of it.

It's perhaps worth making the police aware of the comments on Facebook because they can apply for data from the account in question. They might not feel it necessary if they have enough evidence anyway, but it's always useful and might encourage a guilty plea if they were to get hold of it and send it to the CPS. Screenshots of the messages won't really do the job as evidence.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Assault charges, pleaded not guilty, confessions on face Reply with quote

iMark wrote:
So, my mother got battered in the pub.



I know this is Scotland, but mothers should not be deep fried. Tut Tut
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pass it on to the fuzz. They'll tell you to stop getting involved, mind.

Even if a conviction is already a given, it will help give the lie to the fake remorse that'll accompany the plea being changed at the courtroom door.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Assault charges, pleaded not guilty, confessions on face Reply with quote

iMark wrote:

A little bird has sent me pictures of these conversations, they are cropped to the conversation only but would that stand as evidence in court?


Probably not, but pass them on to police anyway. Just because they can't use it in court, doesn't mean they can't use it at all. If he knows they have it, it may make it that bit easier for them to get a confession out of it.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do indeed use facebook as a tool for catching 'bad people'. They won't take the pictures as evidence, but im sure if you let them know they can find the messages themselves.

A facebook friend spoke about his deep hatred for the government in private messages and how he would love to 'bomb parliament' smart move...smart move.



All the best with your case, no doubt it will go your way!
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks again for the comments.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

HJM wrote:
They do indeed use facebook as a tool for catching 'bad people'. They won't take the pictures as evidence, but im sure if you let them know they can find the messages themselves.

A facebook friend spoke about his deep hatred for the government in private messages and how he would love to 'bomb parliament' smart move...smart move.



All the best with your case, no doubt it will go your way!


Is it illegal to say how much you'd love to do something illegal? Jesus, that would make the entire population of the world criminals (compound count-noun Eh? ).
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Is it illegal to say how much you'd love to do something illegal? Jesus, that would make the entire population of the world criminals (compound count-noun Eh? ).



Apparently so, nothing came of it in the end..but still got the police knocking on his door and got summoned to the police station for an interview/warning.

He was brown, so the popo were probably just stereotyping.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

HJM wrote:

He was brown, so the popo were probably just stereotyping.

Thinking



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PostPosted: 17:39 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

been in a case where screenshots were used in Evidence
some PM's and posts were printed off by us to prove the accused had ulterior motives and what he had been doing to manipulate the evidence
in the end that was part of his downfall as he tried to fight the case on line as well as in the court
when it was a live trial I had to be very careful what was posted on our site regarding the trial
he wasn't as astute and got into serious shit for posting court proceedings online

screenshot everything you can and give it to your mums lawyers
Jpg's can be checked to see if they have been altered
but screenshot the full page with your toolbar showing times and the web source (full URL)

best of luck for your Mum
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loool, yea he bleached him self to avoid it happening again.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldpink wrote:

but screenshot the full page with your toolbar showing times and the web source (full URL)

best of luck for your Mum



I would say I can't do that as the PM's are not to me, they are PM's sent from her to other people.

Hacking is illegal you know Rolling Eyes

But obviously, some little bird I know can Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 07 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

iMark wrote:
Hacking is illegal you know Rolling Eyes


only if you get caught
I Accidentally logged into a Mod's account on the opponents web site
giving me access to there Admin forum where he was shooting his mouth off
so was able to see his every move and anticipate it and show the court what he was up to behind his façade of being the injured party
and he had orchestrated the full thing
to try to take over our company using any means he had, Inc trying to bribe then threaten me
when I told him to go do one and I wasn't interested

I wasn't an issue till he made me one, that was one of his biggest mistakes
never threaten a Jock without the means to back it up Cool
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PostPosted: 07:21 - 01 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If some jig laid a finger on my mother, the findings of some pissant british court of 'justice' would be the least of mine or their concerns.
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