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PostPosted: 10:57 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Middle East work? Reply with quote

Dear Auntie BCF.

Has anybody here worked in the middle east? I've only heard 3rd hand accounts about it. And Andy who said you earn lots tax free but can't spend it because in Saudi, there is nothing to spend it on. Some guys go off to Bahrain to party at weekends and spend it all.

My only experience has been short 2 week treks for jobs there, which isn't exactly representitive of how it would be like to work and live there.

Anybody?
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Middle East work? Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
Dear Auntie BCF.

Has anybody here worked in the middle east? I've only heard 3rd hand accounts about it. And Andy who said you earn lots tax free but can't spend it because in Saudi, there is nothing to spend it on. Some guys go off to Bahrain to party at weekends and spend it all.

My only experience has been short 2 week treks for jobs there, which isn't exactly representitive of how it would be like to work and live there.

Anybody?


Did a contract in the atlas mountains of morocco years ago. There was nothing to spend money on as we were in a very remote area and used scramblers and helicopters to get around.

Dubai and Saudi full of saffers working there. they do make money, if you want to sit at your compound and save it. But think of what you give up. years of your life. You cant buy that time back.

It is a sacrifice. What matters is why you make it. I worked in pretty kak places and made a lot of money, but I paid off my house in 7 years, while having 2 kids, provided for family, bought the x a car etc. There was a purpose to the sacrifice. I didn't want them struggling for money after bought my second home and i wanted to give them what they wanted, and she needed a new car for the kids etc. So I had 2 cars to pay, big house etc. At the time it seemed worthwhile, but she took it all so in effect was years out of life for nothing.

You wont be very happy, but if you are doing it for a financial reason, and you see it as a sacrifice, then consider it. I had many older saffer men on such projects, doing it to pay their children's university, daughter's wedding etc. Old men of 60+ walking 15 km in bush in very hot weather just to provide for wife and children. they don't want to be there. But figure it is the only hope of securing their kids' future. So they endure. The 20 or 30 something men today wont do it. They don't last and go home within 2 weeks.

The other thing to consider is, is your family going with? The number of families that broke up because wives cheated while hubbie was away is enormous. I know quite a few men like that, sending the money home, then getting notice the house from their banks that the house wasn't being paid because she was spending it on a good time with the BF. Again, the sacrifice is for nothing. Plenty plenty of such cases.

If you and the wife and kids are going, and you do it for a few years, agreeing that it is a sacrifice to secure their future, then go ahead. It is also good on your CV.

There is no money for nothing. They pay a lot because it is really kak. Modern western families with instant gratification don't bear up well.

The other aspect to consider, is that after a few years of such work, especially in high adrenaline environments, it will be hard to come back and settle in tame house cat land. It seems so hum drum. because it is hum drum.

You will see people battling for money, only because they never take the risk, have never been anywhere, and thinking that you are now rich with everything paid, so they can sponge off you. You will also be proffesionally far ahead of your peers, having faced far greater challenges. Do you want to take orders from some tame house cat paper shuffler after that and settle for far less money?

Your life will be work, challenges, thrills, new experiences, not fun and games safe and happy like a tame house cat. It will be responsibility and sacrifice. You wont want to settle for the tame house cat life so easily afterwards.

Ive also worked in Islamic places in Tanzania and Kenya and Ghana. Total culture shock. Did off shore work for years. And after that it takes a very special job and person to make you want to settle again. May take you a while to find it.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Middle East work? Reply with quote

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It is a sacrifice. What matters is why you make it. I worked in pretty kak places and made a lot of money, but I paid off my house in 7 years, while having 2 kids provided for family, bought the x a car etc. There was a purpose to the sacrifice.


Good point, my goal was hmm if I go work there for a year I can come back buy a house in cash (no mortgage) as I don't quite have enough right now to buy outright. I don't want to be a mortgagee.

In doing so it would reduce my monthly outgoings of rent to bog all.

I don't have any family which makes such a move a lot easier.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry about education. Plenty of good schools about everywhere for your kids. They can still do O and A levels, and follow international standards.

It also gives your kids a dimension they will never have just staying at home. Broadens their minds and experiences. Kids adapt easy.

Responsible men easily put up with it for the end goal. The key thing will be the attitude of your wife. She will be in a foreign land, not working, in a culture hostile to women. Maybe get bored. Idle hands are the devil's workshop. Not exactly the place for women to walk around alone, so trapped in the expat lifestyle in Islamic countries. Even business functions, you are expected NOT to bring a female partner.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kradmelder wrote:
Don't worry about education. Plenty of good schools about everywhere for your kids. They can still do O and A levels, and follow international standards.

It also gives your kids a dimension they will never have just staying at home. Broadens their minds and experiences. Kids adapt easy.

Responsible men easily put up with it for the end goal. The key thing will be the attitude of your wife. She will be in a foreign land, not working, in a culture hostile to women. Maybe get bored. Idle hands are the devil's workshop. Not exactly the place for women to walk around alone, so trapped in the expat lifestyle in Islamic countries. Even business functions, you are expected NOT to bring a female partner.


What about children? Don't have any, I'm one of those wrap up each and every time people.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Middle East work? Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
Kradmelder wrote:


It is a sacrifice. What matters is why you make it. I worked in pretty kak places and made a lot of money, but I paid off my house in 7 years, while having 2 kids provided for family, bought the x a car etc. There was a purpose to the sacrifice.


Good point, my goal was hmm if I go work there for a year I can come back buy a house in cash (no mortgage) as I don't quite have enough right now to buy outright. I don't want to be a mortgagee.

In doing so it would reduce my monthly outgoings of rent to bog all.

I don't have any family which makes such a move a lot easier.


That makes your case easy. You are single and will do it so you can establish yourself and start a family. Then you can settle and have kids and spend the money on them rather than on trying to build.

Take a mortgage. As much as you can get. Then pay it all except £100 cash as fast as possible. Buy keeping a mortgage open you always have money available and low interest without applying for more. No interest if you have it and it is about paid off. Make sure it is an access bond that you can borrow all the money that are advanced payments.

That means if you one day get divorced she wont force you to sell. Take the money from your bond and pay the heifer off. I still keep mine. The bond allowed me to pay her off, giver her cash for her share and give her a new car cash. Didn't have to sell the house to do it.

Had R100 for many years on it now. It means I can borrow a lot of money in seconds with no pre-approval. Go buy a bike cash.

Im never going to pay mine off. it is money at prime -2%. where else can you get money that cheap?
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
Kradmelder wrote:
Don't worry about education. Plenty of good schools about everywhere for your kids. They can still do O and A levels, and follow international standards.

It also gives your kids a dimension they will never have just staying at home. Broadens their minds and experiences. Kids adapt easy.

Responsible men easily put up with it for the end goal. The key thing will be the attitude of your wife. She will be in a foreign land, not working, in a culture hostile to women. Maybe get bored. Idle hands are the devil's workshop. Not exactly the place for women to walk around alone, so trapped in the expat lifestyle in Islamic countries. Even business functions, you are expected NOT to bring a female partner.


What about children? Don't have any, I'm one of those wrap up each and every time people.


depends how old you are. You may want one day. Besides, if you have a house fully paid and a full bank account, women will be banging on your door trying to have children, even if only to get the house or a salary from you for 18 years Laughing So you may be having one without wanting it Laughing

Such slags abound everywhere.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

tried to gather my thoughts of what I felt like then working there compared to now with hindsight.

Firstly, look at yourself. Im a pure apartheid boy. Can mix with others, but keep them at a distance and will mix with my own kind rather. So I slotted in more with other whiteys, or kept to myself. With muslims, they are very hospitable, but faith often comes up. And Im a big pork eater!

If you are 'very british' you will live in a bubble of british expats with similar values. Working in Rwanda, the Europeans asked me to join their 'club', but it was made up of liberals in NGOs, and I found I had more in common with the darkies and preferred to stay in my camp and organise my own security. I had nothing in common with those help the darkie do-gooders. Im there to make money, not to 'save africa' the middle east or whatever.

If you can survive in a very small social circle of the ex pat bubble, you will be content.

The financial benefits are obvious. But if you are content, you wont want to go home to nothing and leave all these new friends and all that money. You may stay longer. Rather stay not just long enough for a home, but to be able to come home and start a business. You wont easily work for a boss again.

You will meet expat people from other countries, who may offer you work elsewhere. You may never come back to the UK. I was away years, then kept going away for contracts. You will get used to many cultures, love some hate others. You will see through the liberal BS at home that we are all the same. We are not. Their countries are a shambles because of gtheir own culture. We are not equal. You will see some damn useless people and cultures. You wont fit in with image painted in the UK about other people. You will know a useless nation when you see it.

I couldn't live in a camp with the French. within 2 weeks all the saffers picked up and left. They were married and sleeping with darkies, bringing them to our meals etc. Anathema to saffers, none of whom cheated on their wives ate home. Amazingly enough, the African staff preferred us, and asked to work for us rather.

Holidays. from the middle east, why go back to the dreary grey UK? You can fly anywhere for holidays. You will find yourself going home less and less and see so many better places.Makes it hard to go home. You may never go home. Many brit expats settled in new homes. SA is full of them. So is Oz. Chinaboy on here seems like another. Some meet ladies elsewhere, or some just prefer the lifestyle elsewhere.

You will make friends from different places. You can make friends with arabs, but they can be tedious at times. Just overly friendly and less respectful of space. and you are always an outsider.


Your professional network will grow. I was getting intl jobs with people I met for yearsafter . You will work at a far more responsible level than by staying at home. and become a jack of all trades. and you will have an intl CV. I still get asked to go for jobs in other countries, even though I don't want nor need the many anymore. You will also be able to do JVs with people you met at a later date. You wont be unemployed after. plenty of work for such people. They know how to tender for overseas jobs.

You will have adventures and see the place far different than as a tourist.

The pitfalls? The climate. you may not like the heat and will be forced to stay indoors. The cities can be crowded, filthy, noisy, and chaotic, depending where. Cairo is a shit hole. Traffic is terrible. Im a very light sleeper. mosques blaring at sunrise piss me off. distorted and in surround sound. At first it is exotic, but soon wears thin, especially when all business stops.

Flies, dust, filth. enough said. In darkie places it is even worse.

Red tape. any dealings with government is frustrating. You will be tempted to pay bribes to avoid it.

There are no human rights. You wont agree with a lot of what you see. But it isn't your place to judge. Don't feel sorry for them or it will eat you up.


They will try to rip you off for everything you buy as a white man. The endless bargaining. they will charge you 10, 100 times more than a local. You will want to throttle them or put your fist in their grinning face, especially when they tug on your arm.

I met poms, aussies, kiwis, swedes etc. Must say, I got along well with the aussies and some brits, generally not the yanks. The French.....zero work ethic, always complaining, prone to tantrums and hissy fits. emotional. And their bringing their bush wives to dinner is vomit material. I cant believe you brits and the yanks would want to chase the germans out of france. Let the germans sort out these cry babies. Good only for wearing perfume and chucking food in the streets when they riot. And having arrogant fits if you speak English to them. what gratitude.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kradmelder wrote:
[The French are] Good only for wearing perfume and chucking food in the streets when they riot. And having arrogant fits if you speak English to them. what gratitude.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved being in Saudi and I certainly spent money there on electrical items and gold mainly.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 10 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

what type of work is there in these countries?
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PostPosted: 02:01 - 11 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

daffy wrote:
what type of work is there in these countries?


All types of work, from sweeping the road to Royal Flight helicopter technicians. I was the latter. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 02:36 - 11 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My uncle works there a lot. He spends a lot of money on holidays as it keeps him out of the country long enough not to need to pay tax.
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