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Pacifier
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Is it worth it? Reply with quote

Hey guys.

Recently did my CBT and obviously want to get into biking.

Im 19, and at university. I just wanted some opinions on what you would all do in my situation.

I want a bike...ive wanted a bike for nearly 2 years now, but being in a home were they are frowned upon it wasn't until i had my independence and some money in my pocket (student loan Laughing) that i could do anything about it.

If i were to have a bike, the commute to university is under 2miles one way.....beats the 25min walk. Then town ect, its all super close to my accommodation.

Basically asking you if it is worth it?

Its a pathetically short distance, in which a push bike could get me there in a decent time, while also doing exercise.

Also there is the cost. Ive got the gear (bought it for CBT, was on the cheap but nevertheless i got the gear). A non shiny bike will set me back £1k, going for a newish ybr/cg whatever i can get in budget, would love a bigger budget...but i cant. Then £350 or so for insurance, TPO/FT whatever is cheapest,

If you haven't worked out from my badly worded waffle above, im thinking of getting a 125. For the distance/running costs ect, and the fact im a noob, im sure a 125 will do me good.

What im worried about is the expense of the up keep of a 125, i am a poor student at the end of the day..... All this is pointing me in the direction of not getting a bike, saving my money.....

......BUTTT i really want a bike, and i dont think i can bare another 2 years (till uni finishes) to get a bike.


Help needed pl0x?


Cheers guys.

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PostPosted: 14:56 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiver for a litre of oil every 2000 miles, fiver for a can of chain lube (or just use engine oil) every 2000 odd miles, and probably a fiver for a basic set of spanners

then new tires, chain etc when needed, tyres being the most expensive (though that's 80 ish for semi-decent ybr tyres)
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a... Sorry, I was a piss poor student and I bought and ran a Bandit 400 which, if you don't know, has it's "quirks".

And by quirks I mean faults. And by faults I mean problems. And by problems I mean... You get the picture.

It wasn't so terrible that it spent more time in bits than time on the road; when it ran, it ran well. But in comparison to a CG/YBR; it cost me much much more.

Don't feel you have to justify getting a bike. If you want one, fucking get one!! Your budget sounds okay, perhaps a tad optimistic, but definitely not out of reach.

Go for it dude.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.

Get a bike if you want one, but I wouldn't commute 2 miles on it. Get it for enjoyment, if you can afford it.

Seriously, by the time you've locked the bike up at both ends, geared up and down at both ends and got the bike started, you could be at University already by push bike. The push bike is much cheaper to run and has less maintenance costs associated along with it. You'll also be unable to drink whilst at University, have gear to lug around with you and boil during the summer.

You'll almost be guaranteed to open the throttle during those 2 miles too, which will damage the engine considering that it isn't warm yet.

I personally have a bike and commute 5 miles on it. The engine hasn't really warmed up by the time that I arrive at my destination. Next year I'm living 1.5-2miles away from the Uni and I fully intend to walk/cycle instead of using the bike.

More money in my pocket, more comfortable at Uni and more opportunity to socialise with my friends without major forward planning.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im in a sort of similar situation as im going to uni next year and had to decide if its worth doing my full license and taking a bike with me, or selling my 125 and waiting until im sure i can afford it.
I decided after that there really is no point in having one in university. No point waisting all that money for a journey you can walk.
I used to commute for about a 2 mile ride a couple of times a week before and its not enjoyable at all. You will also probably take longer putting your gear on and warming the bike up before you set off, then chaining it up afterwards than you will riding.

Running costs for a 125 wont be too bad though. Tires seem to last a while if you dont go hard on them and petrol will last forever. £1k would get you a decent bike though, no need to spend any more, but decent bikes can be had for far less if you look around.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


As i was intending to get the bike for the commute as well as the enjoyment/ride out prospects the news on the practicality side ect is a shame.

So ill get the pushbike for day to day sh!t, and use the bike purely for enjoyment....sounds good.


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PostPosted: 17:15 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pacifier wrote:
So ill get the pushbike for day to day sh!t, and use the bike purely for enjoyment....sounds good.


I would personally Thumbs Up

Commuting isn't really that enjoyable. Also the money you save in petrol doing a boring ride can be used for a fun weekend ride!

If you can afford to get the bike purely for enjoyment then I definitely would.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
Pacifier wrote:
So ill get the pushbike for day to day sh!t, and use the bike purely for enjoyment....sounds good.


I would personally Thumbs Up

Commuting isn't really that enjoyable. Also the money you save in petrol doing a boring ride can be used for a fun weekend ride!

If you can afford to get the bike purely for enjoyment then I definitely would.


Cheers, you say afford, from your experience what am i looking at?


So far,

£1k bike
£350 insurance (already ran quotes, live in a nice area (beats london (home)).

And then running costs. Plan is to pick a bike with recent MOT, pref with no advisories. Which should allow for a few hundred problem free miles.

Maintenance i will most certainly 'try' and do myself, although i am a complete and utter novice.

Then you got consumables like tires/chain, which on a 125 aren't the end of the world.

£2k budget, to include bike/insurance and running costs for the year?

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PostPosted: 17:39 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pacifier wrote:
£2k budget, to include bike/insurance and running costs for the year?

I'd say that's possible if you were literally to use it for the odd leisure ride on the weekends and that's it.

It's hard to put a price on a year's worth of motoring because how do you know when your Cam-Chain may sporadically snap and leave you with £300's worth of repair work to do?

Say a year goes by without mechanical or physical incident then you're looking at:

Servicing:
oil/fitler change - £40ish
spark plug change - £8ish
air filter change/cleanout - £10ish

Brake pads/tyres? Depends on riding style, and what condition they're in at the start of the year. It could be nothing or £150 for 2 tyres and a set of front pads (Ball park guess here)

Fuel:
Weekend rides? 100miles each weekend? 52 weekends in a year?

5200miles @ 60mpg (random average)

5200/60 = 86.6 gallons (Call it 87)

87*4.546 = 395.5 litres of fuel used.

£1.40 for a litre of petrol?

395.5*1.4= £553 worth of fuel in a year.

Obviously you may do more or less than that... who knows... But there's a ballpark figure for you.
You'll get more than 60mpg but I was allowing for contingency.

I suggest you look up what a service is going to cost you, how often you may need to do one. Plus you have MOT and tax to think about.

Get on Excel and stick some numbers in.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pacifier wrote:
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
So ill get the pushbike for day to day sh!t, and use the bike purely for enjoyment....sounds good.

Good idea. When i commuted to college on my bike it took all the fun away from riding and i couldnt even be arsed to go out on the weekend for a ride.

Maintenance costs are hard to predict as you never know what might happen. The first year i had my bike everything was fine and it only cost me petrol, second year i had to buy a new radiator, exhaust and tire. Just keep a bit of money aside and hope everythings fine.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pacifier wrote:
Cheers, you say afford, from your experience what am i looking at?


So far,

£1k bike
£350 insurance (already ran quotes, live in a nice area (beats london (home)).


I bought my 125 for £800 and insured it for about £400 I think. Rode it for 1 year. Had to give it a new pair of tyres and an MOT, that's all.

I also bought a GS500F for £1200 which constantly broke down and I must have spent in the region of £500 purely on mechanical work (just parts, I did all labor myself). That was £400 insurance too.

So you really can't tell. If things don't go wrong then a £2k budget is dandy. However you can also buy a mint looking bike and it be full of problems.

So "if you can afford it" means can you really afford to spend that £2k on a bike? Also what is your fund for things going wrong? I always like to keep a few hundred available in case of repairs. Although currently my expenses forecast is indicating -£380 by September... so that's not happened right now... Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top reply lads, i have a good 2k savings, and plan to work during my 2nd year (finishing first year as we speak ).

My parents are anti-bikes, so i won't be getting any funding off them, although there happy to throw money at driving lessons fuarkk dat shit.


I think that sounds like a solid plan, if i can get some money of parents (very unlikely) then it should go all smoothly this summer and ill have a bike.

A quick question, ill be back in London over summer, say i buy a bike, what address do i insure it under? my london address or university address? Or just address it to the london address and switch when i get to uni, i can just see lots $$ and hassle when i need to switch.


Again, thanks for the help.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had my bikes insured at my home address.
I believe you're meant to have the bike insured to whatever address you're living at even if for 8months.
If they ask why you were in wherever you are, just say you were visiting a mate.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 19 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

haroman666 wrote:
I've had my bikes insured at my home address.
I believe you're meant to have the bike insured to whatever address you're living at even if for 8months.
If they ask why you were in wherever you are, just say you were visiting a mate.


hmmm even though it is cheaper at my uni accommodation?

Got garage/driveway and in a better postcode (anything out of london must be a better postcode insurance wise)

For a bike i wont make a claim on i guess its not too much of an issue.

If i insure it under my uni address (which is secured for next year) while at home during summer, doya reckon that will be kosher?

cheers.
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PostPosted: 00:24 - 20 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No
If you cant make up your own mind... then No.
If you wanted it enough..... you'd have done it.
You wouldn't give a flying fuk what we thought.
Only person that can tell you whether anything you do is 'worth it' is YOU!
So answer your own question, kid.
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 20 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
No
If you cant make up your own mind... then No.
If you wanted it enough..... you'd have done it.
You wouldn't give a flying fuk what we thought.
Only person that can tell you whether anything you do is 'worth it' is YOU!
So answer your own question, kid.


Phoowww!

I think thats a bit harsh considering you don't understand my circumstances in the slightest.

Firstly, i do care what others think. I now know it would be a waste of time for my short commute, which i didn't know before hand. I have got peoples past experience which i once again, didn't have before making this thread.

If i wanted it enough i would have it by now? As i explained in OP. I've wanted a bike for years mate, i have parents that don't want me to be on a bike, so while i was living under their roof, i couldn't do anything about it. While at university i have saved funds, bought my gear, done CBT. I would say im making progress.

My question was not, 'Shall i buy a bike'/'is biking for me'. I already know it is. I also know i have no intention of getting my car license any time soon. I will get a bike, whether it is now, during university, or afterwards....It is happening...When it will happen was the purpose of the thread.



But thank's anyway for the reply, all replies appreciated.
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PostPosted: 01:08 - 20 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, it depends on what other things it allows you to do.

Arrow If you get in a relationship, do you really want to catch the bus to hers or vice vera?
Arrow You can stay out later without worrying if you'll miss the bus.
Arrow You can go to a gym, etc which would normally be out of the way from your daily commute.
Arrow You can start towards your no claims now so you'll make savings in the future (you said biking was for you).

There are a lot of benefits you get from being mobile, those are just a few. If the weathers nice, nothing's stopping you from walking or taking the push bike, however when it's raining the quicker you can get home the better.
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 20 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pacifier wrote:
I think thats a bit harsh considering you don't understand my circumstances in the slightest.

Firstly, i do care what others think. I now know it would be a waste of time for my short commute, which i didn't know before hand.


No, you knew it wasn't really useful for your short commute; you actually said it would just save a bit of a walk and that a push-bike would make more sense. I fully appreciated your circumstances.

You don't need a bike, you want a bike.

So... the question is how badly?

And provaricating, looking to get other people to convince you or not? Looking to work out whether the time is right or not.

Your passion is obviousely not SO high that heart is ruling head, and the jobs done.

So letting head rule heart? You dont need a bike. You cant justify a bike. You can barely afford a bike. so dont get one.

CBT you have forked out for, is ticking away, kit you have shelled out for is sat on a shelf not earning its keep, and wont be getting any better for it... but hey; it's not really worth capitolising on that, when it wont save bus-fares or anything, will it?

OR stop asking us what you should do, and ask yourself what you WANT to do and bludy get on with it!
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 20 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you're just using for the 2 miles to uni then just get a bicycle,

If you plan on using it for fun and riding further afield, get a busa
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 20 May 2013    Post subject: Walk Reply with quote

For 2 miles I would rather walk instead of push bike. Safer, little concentration needed, means you can think over your life, what you have planned for the week, listen to MP3 player etc. - and still won't take long to get there.

Push bike will do 2 miles very quickly for when you're in a hurry.

You could get a motorbike for weekends and journeys further afield if you want to though.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 21 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Walk Reply with quote

PaulS wrote:
For 2 miles I would rather walk instead of push bike. Safer, little concentration needed, means you can think over your life, what you have planned for the week, listen to MP3 player etc. - and still won't take long to get there.

Push bike will do 2 miles very quickly for when you're in a hurry.

You could get a motorbike for weekends and journeys further afield if you want to though.


Having driven to work for years then being forced to walk a mile, catch the train, then walk another mile and now finally having the bike so I can ride to work, I now miss the middle bit. I loved walking and catching the train as I live out in the country so it's always quite picturesque. As much as I love riding, I do sometimes think if I should just to back to the train and save a small fortune in the process.

Do whatever you want but sometimes the stress free life of no transport to worry about is worth the extra time it takes.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 21 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Walk Reply with quote

redAnt wrote:
As much as I love riding, I do sometimes think if I should just to back to the train and save a small fortune in the process.


Bloody hell what train are you getting?!? Do you not buy a ticket?

I ride the bike to work so I don't have to spend a fortune on train tickets!!

Also if I lived at my mum's "out in the country", the nearest train station in 11miles away! What part of "out in the country" do you live in?!!
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 21 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Walk Reply with quote

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What part of "out in the country" do you live in?!!
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 21 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't spend your student loan on a bike, you need it for your rent. And if you think you'll just get a part-time job, prepare to fuck up uni. Speaking from experience Wink Had to split my final year over 2 years because I took on a job to pay my rent cos I blew my student loan on a kick arse car stereo system and shoes Laughing

Especially if you're only planning on commuting 2 miles - someone has already mentioned, by the time you have got all your stuff on/off you would have been there already.

Personally I'd see what you manage to save after all your rent, food etc. is paid and take the slow route into getting a motorbike.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 21 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
Don't spend your student loan on a bike, you need it for your rent. And if you think you'll just get a part-time job, prepare to fuck up uni. Speaking from experience Wink Had to split my final year over 2 years because I took on a job to pay my rent cos I blew my student loan on a kick arse car stereo system and shoes Laughing


Aye. Which is why you ought to work your bollocks off during the summers to earn yourself more than what you get given by Student Finance.
And I dont mean "Oh i'll put a tenner aside each week to build up a bit of funds for freshers week".
I'm on about "Live like a tramp (That has a job) for the summer so you can chill the fuck out during uni, which is where good financing counts".
Okay, maybe not like a tramp but if I can earn £9k in one summer then so can everyone else.
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