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Ariel Badger
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Spares availability for modern classics Reply with quote

I can easily get spares for 1930s bikes like Ariel Vello and BSA but how about 1980s machinery? I am looking at a 250 RDLC motor to put into a sprinter. I will not need anything other than gearbox and engine parts, can i get them?
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes if you've got the £. There will be some NOS parts but there will also be pattern ones and second hand spares. A 250LC is about the most expensive bike you could have chosen for spares though as they are so soughtafter. Remember the only difference between the 250LC and the 350LC is the second disk brake and the barrels.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I want is motor and box, I will be building my own frame etc.
Is the crank identical to the 350?
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a company called banshee make them?
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fisty wrote:
I think a company called banshee make them?


Nope, thats the 350 YPVS which is pretty different. The Yamaha Banshee quad basically used a 350YPVS motor, and there are a number of companies that make performance parts. One of them makes 'Cheetah' barrels, head and crank and I think they also make the Cheetah cub which is a lower power version. There are two overall models one with powervalves and one without, but the one without is not the same as the 350LC engine.

The 350 LC is IDENTICAL to the 250LC in every way except for barrels, head, front brakes and the 350 has two horns to match the two front disks. Don't ask me why.

The YPVS would be a better choice as it is more tuneable and has more grunt. You can build a banshee motor with no Powervalves but I doubt it would class as a proddie engine.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stand corrected.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all, I fancy using an LC for nostalgic reasons and now the madness starts as I want to put it into a BSA Bantam frame.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I went hunting for Ariel bits, I bet I wouldn't find it as easy as you do Wink But as I'm sure you well know, doesn't really matter how plentiful parts are... its whether any-one has the ONE bit you need Twisted Evil Parts don't have to be 'plentiful', and there dont have to be many suppliers, you just have to know the ones that have what you want!
First port of call for old Yams, though would be Yambits.
But building a sprint LC motor, there's still a few of the old guarde specialising in them and TZ's... WHICH may be worth investigating; early era LC's I believe could run TZ internals & Barels.
EMRA RD-LC Challenge I seem to recall was rather healthy long after the model was dropped from the catalogues, and the quick kids regularly posted lap times, from thier supposedly 'Showroom' 35hp machines that were on the pace with the 250 Proddy & 400 Super-Sport class running, then 60bhp KR1's & RGV's, and the 250GP class where few could afford brand new TZ's or RS's, and the field was usually older generation TZ's padded out with refugees from the other 250 classes getting extra races on thier card.... or in short, them old LC's were rather a little bit TOO quick for thier own good, raising finger that they were more TZ than RD inside the cases, and quite likely well over capacity limit to boot!
Seem to recall one LC boy of the time quipping, as he tipped some rather fragrant fuel into the tank "Well, its only cheating IF you get caught!"

Err... yeah. Anyway... nod in that direction may put you onto some of the right people to know... but for a sprint motor? Only has to run a few minutes at a time, doesn't it? I'd be looking at LC lore and TZ trickery... and I dont know, but you might find a TZ motor a better base for your project?

Dont know about the crank-cases, but know that some of the casings were magnesium to make the motors lighter, and they ran dry clutches, rather than wet, which may be useful for you. Cranks are definitely a lot lighter as well, and lifed in running hours, but that wouldn't be a bigger on a sprint engine. Likewise their thin ring pistons. And TZ lump, out the box would give, like as not twice the power an LC would.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Thanks all, I fancy using an LC for nostalgic reasons and now the madness starts as I want to put it into a BSA Bantam frame.


No... just NO.....

And thinking about it..... Val Page would be turning in his grave!

For you? Think Adler. Think Bantam CLUB and the MZ racers....

Ariel Arrow is the way to go!

Do the full on Super-MZ job on it. Get the barels re-sleeved with TZ liners, then cut the prorts to suit. Mill the crank-case to take TZ reed-block and Mikuni Carbs, then add Boyer programmable advance, contactless ignition.

Seem to recall that the last of the line Air-cooled TZ250's were pushing 70bhp with the right porting... and in effect, thats what you'd have disguised by Arrow cases!?!?

You could call it the TZARiel Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 22 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Thanks all, I fancy using an LC for nostalgic reasons and now the madness starts as I want to put it into a BSA Bantam frame.


I would start by talking to Martin Taylor of Taymar Racing. He has been working on Lc's since I was a teenager.
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