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PostPosted: 07:59 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Help choosing a tourer Reply with quote

So following our recent (and sore) trip to Wales, me and the missus have decided that we need a dedicated tourer as going two up on an R6 just doesn't cut the mustard for any kind of two up distance riding.
The thing is, I don't have clue where to start with looking for a suitable tourer.
The bike would need to be comfy enough for two people, upright, large tank capacity and part faired at least if possible. It also needs to be big enough to carry the kitchen sink, as let's face it, women never travel light. Laughing
I quite like the look of adventure bikes.

Our budget could probably stretch to £2000-£2500.

Any advice would be appreciated Smile
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PostPosted: 08:07 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:03 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit over your budget but maybe worth considering. One of the best sport touring bikes ever. I've got a 2009 bike which is very little changed from this model. If you want to do great distances loaded up with a passenger and still have fun then this is the bike.


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2001-Yamaha-FJR1300-touring-SPECIALISTS-GOOD-BAD-CREDIT-FINANCE-/360641807114?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item53f7ed430a
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should be able to pick up a 2000ish Pan European for around £2.5k, would be the ST1100 but they are super comfy reliable touring bikes.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alot of bike for your money with those recommendations. I will definitely check them out.
Is the Suzuki V strom much cop?
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox_uk wrote:
Alot of bike for your money with those recommendations. I will definitely check them out.
Is the Suzuki V strom much cop?


How much touring are you doing? If I was looking at serious all over Europe, that BMW would be ideal, as would a Pan.

If it was what I'm doing, Spain for a week or 2, gentle bimbles then either keep your current or grab something less GRRR and more AAHH like a 600F or Thunderace.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
fox_uk wrote:
Alot of bike for your money with those recommendations. I will definitely check them out.
Is the Suzuki V strom much cop?


How much touring are you doing? If I was looking at serious all over Europe, that BMW would be ideal, as would a Pan.

If it was what I'm doing, Spain for a week or 2, gentle bimbles then either keep your current or grab something less GRRR and more AAHH like a 600F or Thunderace.


Im planning on ramping it up. We plan on doing a fair bit of touring over the summer months, so I'd rather do it in comfort.
The R6 is great for a weekend blast but it seriously limits us when you factor in storage, comfort and tank range.

I was swaying toward an adventure as it would be a bit more viable to get off the beaten track than a thorough bred tourer. Although I love the look of the pan. Armchair on wheels Smile
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox_uk wrote:
##Paddy## wrote:

How much touring are you doing? If I was looking at serious all over Europe, that BMW would be ideal, as would a Pan.

If it was what I'm doing, Spain for a week or 2, gentle bimbles then either keep your current or grab something less GRRR and more AAHH like a 600F or Thunderace.


Im planning on ramping it up. We plan on doing a fair bit of touring over the summer months, so I'd rather do it in comfort.
The R6 is great for a weekend blast but it seriously limits us when you factor in storage, comfort and tank range.

I was swaying toward an adventure as it would be a bit more viable to get off the beaten track than a thorough bred tourer. Although I love the look of the pan. Armchair on wheels Smile


If you want a comfortable tourer, plan on doing 2 up and still get off the beaten track a bit, the BMW.

The adv bracket is wide and will cover off roaders that can do road and 2 up no so comfortably, to comfy tourers that can do very limited gravel like the multistrada and v strom and some where in between like the super tenere.

The super ten, v strom and other soft roaders are far heavier.

The BMW is a comfortable pillion bike, even off road, so my pillions tell me. I easily do 800+ km days on it. and have done it with pillion and luggage.

The BMW does not like sand or mud though.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kradmelder wrote:

If you want a comfortable tourer, plan on doing 2 up and still get off the beaten track a bit, the BMW.

The adv bracket is wide and will cover off roaders that can do road and 2 up no so comfortably, to comfy tourers that can do very limited gravel like the multistrada and v strom and some where in between like the super tenere.

The super ten, v strom and other soft roaders are far heavier.

The BMW is a comfortable pillion bike, even off road, so my pillions tell me. I easily do 800+ km days on it. and have done it with pillion and luggage.

The BMW does not like sand or mud though.


Something like the F650? An 1150gs is a bit out of my price range Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:05 - 30 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I run a bike accommodation and touring business here in France, my main bike is an 01 FJR1300 with more than 100,000 miles on the clock and it is a peach, I do about 200 miles a day 5 to 6 days a week for about 6 months of the year and have no comfort issues with this bike, love is so much I have a second FJR1300 on a 54 plate. I reccon you can pick up a 2001/02 bike for about 2.5k.

many of the adventure bikes are capable tourers but you are going to be paying for them unless it is an old mid range bike, I also have a Guzzi Stelvio which is a hoot great for scratching and perfect for 2 up riding, but because the exhaust is on the upper side it does half the pannier space on one side...

You can pick up some Pan 1100 for a good price or event he mid range Deauville for decent money and they are both fair tourers but not sporty.

there is no real answer though as we each look for diferent things in a bike so go shopping, do some riding on demonstrators and see what you like.

I recommend the FJR though 2 up loaded you cannot beat it for pulling power and sporty mixed touring.. we did Turkey & Back on my 01 back in 2006 check out the report at www.whereistonynow.co.uk/tour2cure.htm
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 30 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox_uk wrote:
Kradmelder wrote:

If you want a comfortable tourer, plan on doing 2 up and still get off the beaten track a bit, the BMW.

The adv bracket is wide and will cover off roaders that can do road and 2 up no so comfortably, to comfy tourers that can do very limited gravel like the multistrada and v strom and some where in between like the super tenere.

The super ten, v strom and other soft roaders are far heavier.

The BMW is a comfortable pillion bike, even off road, so my pillions tell me. I easily do 800+ km days on it. and have done it with pillion and luggage.

The BMW does not like sand or mud though.


Something like the F650? An 1150gs is a bit out of my price range Laughing


an f650 thumper might be a bit small if you planning on pillion long distance
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 30 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox_uk wrote:

Im planning on ramping it up. We plan on doing a fair bit of touring over the summer months, so I'd rather do it in comfort.
The R6 is great for a weekend blast but it seriously limits us when you factor in storage, comfort and tank range.

I was swaying toward an adventure as it would be a bit more viable to get off the beaten track than a thorough bred tourer. Although I love the look of the pan. Armchair on wheels Smile


The 900 Diversion is a great budget touring bike, 200 mile tank range, shaft drive, enough weather protection and with a wing rack fitted you can carry everything you'd want in the panniers and top box. Its also large and spacious enough for both rider and pillion. For a couple of grand (or much less for something tattier) you could find a pretty much mint one which will be totally reliable, cheap and easy to maintain and keep on the road. Great bike for eating up the miles, mines covered 140k and remains thoroughly reliable.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 30 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about this:-
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-TRIUMPH-SPRINT-ST-SILVER-/230961729136
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 30 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the great recommendations guys. Karma
I guess I should get out there and try and get some test rides before I take the plunge on any particular bike.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 08 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Help choosing a tourer Reply with quote

fox_uk wrote:
So following our recent (and sore) trip to Wales, me and the missus have decided that we need a dedicated tourer as going two up on an R6 just doesn't cut the mustard for any kind of two up distance riding.
The thing is, I don't have clue where to start with looking for a suitable tourer.
The bike would need to be comfy enough for two people, upright, large tank capacity and part faired at least if possible. It also needs to be big enough to carry the kitchen sink, as let's face it, women never travel light. Laughing
I quite like the look of adventure bikes.

Our budget could probably stretch to £20000-£25000.

Any advice would be appreciated Smile


The goldwing is probably the best equipped for taken a woman touring, but so is travelling by QE2. I always fancied the FJR1300. Shaft drive, hard luggage and plenty of power too. My budget is somewhat limited so I currently have a banditGT which I have been all round britain on. Up to 50mpg, even at motorway speeds isnt bad and I find it comfortable and well up to long distances but service intervals are 4000 miles, which is abysmal. I never had to do 2 up touring however.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 08 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a selection of all makes between £1,500-2500 on Ebay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Motorcycles-Scooters-/422/i.html?_udlo=1%2C500&_from=R40&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udhi=2%2C540&_nkw=tourer&_pppn=r1&_dcat=422&Capacity%2520%2528cc%2529=675%2520to%2520824%2520cc|825%2520to%2520974%2520cc|975%2520to%25201159%2520cc|1160%2520to%25201334%2520cc|More%2520than%25201335%2520cc|%2521
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 08 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A guy at Rivington at the weekend was singing the praises of the BMW for two up touring, certainly sold it to me, if I was after that kind of thing. I think he must have thought I was Mr Yaigis pillion Rolling Eyes At least I got on my bike whilst he was still watching Cool Laughing

Here's one to throw into the mix - would you not be more comfortable with no pillion, ie, get the missus to get her own bike?! Razz
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 08 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride two-up all the time nowadays. Mrs of almost four years loves riding pillion, but has no interest in riding herself, so I've gradually switch from a sports tourer (K1200S) to an adventure type (1200GS) to a proper tourer (R1200RT). The RT works brilliantly two-up, even fully loaded with luggage, and is still fun in the twisties.

They're not so much fun one-up as a sports bike, but it's horses for courses.

I couldn't have picked a better rental bike for 16 days in the USA last year Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 09 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaigi wrote:
A guy at Rivington at the weekend was singing the praises of the BMW for two up touring, certainly sold it to me, if I was after that kind of thing. I think he must have thought I was Mr Yaigis pillion Rolling Eyes At least I got on my bike whilst he was still watching Cool Laughing

Here's one to throw into the mix - would you not be more comfortable with no pillion, ie, get the missus to get her own bike?! Razz


the 1200 is an excellent 2 up bike. Done 2 up and luggage on 1 week 3500 km trips on it. You don't even notice the weight of the pillion, except when braking. Even then you are limited by the pillion slamming into you than the ability of the bike.

Even the pillion is comfortable over long distance and high speed (150-160 kmh).

Ive also done 2 up gravel on some pretty bad and muddy roads. The pillion is comfortable enough to use no hands and take pics while riding. And the pillion sits high so gets a good view, and im not a small oukie to see over Mr. Green

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PostPosted: 12:41 - 23 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

After much deliberation, I've decided I am going to sell the r6 to fund a new bike. I decided that I will probably end up getting a trail bike as well as a tourer, to satisfy my urge to off road. Smile
As I am getting rid of my sports bike, I thought a sports tourer would probably be better.
VFR vtec anyone?

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PostPosted: 13:42 - 23 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The VFR is heavy and sluggish to turn - you'll find it a pig compared to the R6. But I expect it's still much better than a full dress tourer.

VFR VTEC seat is fairly hard, despite being thick enough to leave almost no room underneath. Pillion comfort is better than being perched on an R6 I'd expect, but not nearly as comfortable as a proper tourer. But I've never been a pillion on my own bike.

It's a fairly comfy bike for long distances on the motorway. It's a lot less pleasant going through towns.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 23 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ST4? I'll be done with mine by August after my trip, and it will be under the lower end of your budget, with panniers and a top box already.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 23 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox_uk wrote:


Something like the F650? An 1150gs is a bit out of my price range Laughing


The F650 is prone to water pump failure and head gasket failure. Neither of which are good news.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 23 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've had a vtec for 4 years and am in no rush to change it as it does everything i want from a bike (last bike was a R1). i use it all year round for commuting,scratching ,rallies and touring . build quality and reliability is excellent. i did change the seat for a Sargent seat which is great. 400 miles a day and my ass was fine and ready for next day. panniers , top box and tank bag which doesn't affect handling too much mean i can carry more than enough stuff and the mrs says the pillion perch is fine. mine is an early vtec and when it cuts in at 7000 rpm theres sometimes a wee "jump" but you get used to it.it can be a bit heavy when fully loaded but what bike doesn't , i'm a 5'8"shortie and manage fine.i would deffo recommend a vtec as a do-it-all bike.

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PostPosted: 20:59 - 23 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you thought about a Varadero? I have one and love it. For such a heavy beast it pulls well and handles extremely well (in my opinion, obviously not anywhere near a sportsbike).

It has a huge max weight limit and will happily pull me and my other half with ease. I've been getting roughly 45mpg, 2 up include top box and panniers at national speed limit.

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