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JohnDonohoe95
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 25 May 2013    Post subject: Clutch Control Reply with quote

Hello I have been riding bikes for 2 years now, I used to ride a little 50cc Twist and Go, I have upgraded to a Yamaha YBR-125 and gears on a bike is new to me.

I have been learning gears on private land and I am fine with them.

The only problem I sometimes have is stalling the bike at a stop sign, giveway, traffic lights etcetera.

I know the reason why I sometimes stall, it's probably because I don't have enough revs when setting off, or I release the clutch too fast.


Does anyone have any tips for me that could help improve my setting off capabilities or does it just come with practice?
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 25 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give it enough revs and don't release the clutch too fast Wink
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 25 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

snomag wrote:
Give it enough revs and don't release the clutch too fast Wink

What's the best revs to have the bike on a flat surface just before setting off, so the bike doesn't stall?
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 25 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Next time out just think, bit more revs, slip the clutch easy does it. Eventually it will work out. You might feel an idiot when you stall but that's just part of the learning curve.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 25 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're stalling, you aren't revving it hard enough. With a 125 you can pretty safely rev it quite hard without the worry of doing a burning wheelie or anything like that, as long as you don't dump the clutch all with one go. So rev it quite hard and just release the clutch slow enough. You'll start to get a feel for when it's biting and eventually it'll be second nature to you, you'll know exactly how much throttle to give it for any situation.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 25 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

snomag wrote:
Give it enough revs and don't release the clutch too fast Wink


Laughing

Yes - well you kinda answered your own question OP Cool
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 25 May 2013    Post subject: Re: Clutch Control Reply with quote

JohnDonohoe95 wrote:

Does anyone have any tips for me that could help improve my setting off capabilities or does it just come with practice?


Use the clutch as your accelerator. By that I mean while you have the clutch in, rev the bike then use the clutch as a controlled release of the power. Find the bite point, if your revs are high enough you should start moving forward at that point.

Don't just rev the engine and dump the clutch.


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PostPosted: 17:12 - 25 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

sa1988 wrote:
If you're stalling, you aren't revving it hard enough. With a 125 you can pretty safely rev it quite hard without the worry of doing a burning wheelie or anything like that, as long as you don't dump the clutch all with one go. So rev it quite hard and just release the clutch slow enough. You'll start to get a feel for when it's biting and eventually it'll be second nature to you, you'll know exactly how much throttle to give it for any situation.


Sound advice.


Before doing my CBT i had watched wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to many people on 600/1000 sport's bikes for the first time, and you see the bike rocket up from underneath them, that when it came to my CBT i was scared to slip the clutch out to fast i ended it up doing so slowly to the point were i felt rushed, i then did it quickly.....leading to me stalling.....Fml Laughing.
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 25 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience, Yamahas have a reputation for very small 'biting points' in their clutches which can take a bit of getting used to. A bike rental guy confirmed this to me so I am definitely not making it up :p

Just give it a little bit of revs, and start letting the clutch out and when you feel it start to pull then give it more revs and once you start moving release the clutch the rest of the way.

You probably feel a bit anxious at traffic lights to get going? Just relax, better to take an extra second to make sure you go than to stall and waste ten seconds. Try stopping and starting around your 'private land', getting used to knowing that feeling when the clutch starts to pull the bike forward.
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PostPosted: 02:00 - 26 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like everyone else has said.. rev the arse off it.. dont worry it won't break and also wont flip you on your back lol

What i would do is.. the next time you are on your bike.. put it in gear forget about the throttle and let the clutch out slowly... you will notice it will slowly start pulling you forward. When this happens give it some revs..don't be scared of stallling if you stall just give it another go!

I wish i had a video of how bad i was and a video now... Because with the big improvements i have made you would of thought it was a different person lol and the best bit is ...it is second nature! I use to avoid certain routes because of hills and the dreaded hill-starts.. but now i go where-ever the heck i like! Smile

Keep going on dont be put off!
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PostPosted: 02:01 - 26 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like everyone else has said.. rev the arse off it.. dont worry it won't break and also wont flip you on your back lol

What i would do is.. the next time you are on your bike.. put it in gear forget about the throttle and let the clutch out slowly... you will notice it will slowly start pulling you forward. When this happens give it some revs..don't be scared of stallling if you stall just give it another go!

I wish i had a video of how bad i was and a video now... Because with the big improvements i have made you would of thought it was a different person lol and the best bit is ...it is second nature! I use to avoid certain routes because of hills and the dreaded hill-starts.. but now i go where-ever the heck i like! Smile

Keep going on dont be put off!
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 26 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't rev the nuts off of it, that's just learning to ride badly! Smile

You should be able to pull away with 3-4k RPM on a 125 quite easily if you're on a straight. Just be gentle with the clutch and let it out gradually. You'll get to the stage where you know the biting point and the RPM you need as second nature.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 26 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I did was sit and find my biting point and letting it start to pull itself then clutch back in and do the same over and over till I got used to where the biting point is, then I started putting some throttle into it and just practiced pulling a way for a bit.

It's pretty much second nature now, and I haven't been riding long at all!
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 26 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I got my first bike, my ts50x, I couldn't pull away at all. I had a 10 meter race up my road against my friend on crutches and lost. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 26 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all these tips guys.

Since I posted this thread I have pretty much been riding everywhere.
The Clutch is getting much easier for me to use, I have just got back from riding around for around 1 hour 30 minutes, I only stalled the bike once, just as I was around 5 minutes from home, for some reason I had the bike in 2nd gear at a junction (whilst stopped), I don't know why I didn't check to see if it was in first gear Rolling Eyes


Anyway all I need to probably learn better is downshifting smoother.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 26 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a two smoker DTR 125, I just blip the throttle and let the clutch out slowly. I pull off quickly most of the time, as I filter the the front of the queue. But I wouldn't recommend trying it, you'll probably wheelie off. Laughing

Also when I first started riding a geared bike or was practising clutch control, I'd keep my foot hovering over the back brake, so if it did decide to do a wheelie I could quickly regain control without flipping it. Wink

Mind you, I've never done a wheelie where it wasn't intentional.
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