next steps in my riding career

[stranger12]

ok i am now back in the track and have decided to keep my lovely sv for now

what do you guys suggest or did do when you were at my stage to gain skills etc apart from just riding back and forth

currently i am ok on maintaining bike balance etc but want to move on and be a better rider . have a skill in turning and be brave
for whatever reason i think it is very dangerous to go over 100 miles etc thinking the wheel comes off or i am somehow gonna die

so my next steps is track days as people seem to suggest school is waste of money . i was thinking of going to california school

while on the topic, do you guys open the throttle while turning ? i have seen videos of bike rear tyre drifts thus dropping you if you do not know how to control it . i guess if that happens you shouldn't in a sudden action shut the throttle as this makes it worse and you loose all traction but simply slowly close the throttle


i also tend to use the following combination of braking

dry :80%front 20% rear
raind: either 80% front 20 rear or 30 rear 70 front


is thatgood?

i did manage to spin the rear wheel up today in the rain and kick the tail out while accelerating
this is despite me knowing that rain and full throttle can be enemies
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[Islander]

Generally speaking, you get all of your braking and gear changing done before you turn into a bend or corner, then keep a neutral throttle through it (neither slowing not accelerating) then gently roll the throttle on as you come out of it.

Braking should be approx 75% front 25% rear with the front leading in the dry and approx 50% front 50% rear in the wet. Brake progressively - don't snatch them and they shouldn't lock under good conditions. The percentages are only a guideline and experience will show you what's best for your bike.

The overall trick is to be smooth - no sudden turns, don't snatch the throttle open and don't snatch the brakes.

[MarJay]

[G]

Get yourself a copy of "twist of the wrist II" - read it cover to cover, then go back and practice section at a time.

On track the idea is to get on the power as early as possible and be continually feeding the throttle in so the tyre is always right at the limit of traction.

Reality for most is we start opening it up gently, then when we feel brave whack it open.

Same for braking but the reverse - slowly release the brake as you are tipping it in.

[Islander]

[G]

Also - 100% braking from the front unless your front brakes are cack.
Possibly some rear in adverse conditions, but engine braking on a SV isn't too bad

If they are good brakes, then maximum braking occurs as the rear is just about to lift off the tarmac. At this point, the rear brake's not going to have much use.

[Old Git Racing]

There's only two situations to be in, on the throttle or braking, never use the back brake because it is useless if your wheel isn't on the road. As for spinning it up and drifting it out of corners this is good and should be practised more.
Brake right into the apex then crack the throttle and control the drift, don't shut the throttle if it starts getting away from you cos you will high side or if you are very lucky catch it on your knee.
Or just go do a trackday, get an instructor to show you the line and just try and enjoy it, no need to go to Califorinia Superbike school, go to a Cadwell Park MSV day or evening and pick up what you can, riding is 75% instintictive and reading a book won't teach you what I think you want to know, there's no substitute for doing.

OGR
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[stranger12]

[Old Git Racing]

It was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek, don't do it really, you will most likely fall off.

OGR
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[Wonko The Sane]

After pulling a 6ft skid during an emergency stop practice the day before my mod 1 (instructor was quite impressed by my releasing and re-applying the brake) I was told in wet conditions to bring the back brake in slightly before the front so that it's already braking before the front brake is properly biting.

The reason for this he said, was to transfer some of the bike's weight forwards to lessen the likelyhood of a rear skid.

I've not skidded since despite some of the crap driving that happens around here.

with regards to throttle coming out of a corner,

"don't accelerate if you might have to come off the throttle again, wait until you can see the exit to the corner is clear, then you can accelerate as you know you won't have to slow again. As you accelerate let the bike start to stand up.

This was with regards to riding smoothly on the road - I've no interest on going on the track.

[Islander]

If you transfer weight forwards then you're reducing the weight on the rear wheel, reducing its grip and hence increasing the likelihood of a rear wheel skid.

[stranger12]

i love this forum.
when you post 2 mins later 100 replies , bunch of lovely people

Back to topic, i will get the book as it seemed to have good reviews etc which is very good


one thing though, i have seen people doing stopie( tail comming up as they brake) . i guess that needs you to intentionally press the brake hard so it comes up

i have noticed that when i press the front slightly hard the tail is about to come up and also throw me over . i don't know how those people stay on the bike
i am 21 st but still will be thrown forward even when the rear isn't up just the suspension has expanded all the way.
do i need one of those tank things which is a little rubber preventing me from sliding on it thus being throwed over ?
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[G]

Yes, just brake harder and harder to do a stoppy.
Go a bit at a time until you're used to being on one wheel.

Braking effort has to be reduced to sustain a stoppy in mid air, so if you don't go over the front when braking really hard, you shouldn't for a stoppy - it's just like braking going down a hill.

Doing one handed stoppies it is worth gripping the tank with your knees as I've found - other wise you can slide forward into the tank and, which isn't exactly the feeling you want while trying to control a bike in the air with one hand .

[TheRevr]

what do you guys suggest or did do when you were at my stage to gain skills etc apart from just riding back and forth

Have you seen these rider video's there's a series of 10?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGkGb8FU4lg

there's also a website that gives links to bikesafe and enhanced rider training...

https://www.twistandride.net

at first you think - what the hells going on, then you get it.

I've booked bikesafe as a few have recommended it.

[Enduro Numpty]

The short answer is there's no substitute for experience so riding back and forth is part of the learning curve. That said, take good advice where it's offered and learn from experienced riders.

[Acemastr]

Steady on there, you've been riding this bike for 5 minutes, wanted an R6 because it wasn't quick enough and now you're 'doing stoppies' (you're not, the suspension is compressing and lifting the rear of the bike, not the rear wheel).

How about riding it and learning how it rides and go from there, practice is everything.
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2016 Toyota Tacoma Limited

[fox]

You can find the full version of Twist on Youtube here
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[MarJay]

[stranger12]

what is the point of doing california bike school stage 1 to 4 each at £400 when you can get the book for £10 and have a free dvd of it ? i guess california bike school is based on keith code priciple thus really don't know why someone would go to those school unless they have a lot of spare money which i can help them spend it
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[MarJay]