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PostPosted: 08:53 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Today a woman filtered past me... in her car. Reply with quote

Nothing more than a rant really.

Casually going along a road, traffic wasn't insane, no queuing, no stress, just normal traffic on a normal road, all quite alright, everyone going at the speed limit. I always cut to the front if the traffic is dense, but here it was all going smoothly so I didn't even think of it.

And then, on this single lane road where I was 100% definitely going as fast as everyone else and I wasn't at all holding up the flow of traffic, a woman casually cruises past me! I mean she didn't 'nip' past, or zoom past to get in front. She just... happily went by in no hurry at all, as if there were two lanes available or something. No hurry, no concern, just casually arced around and tucked herself in front of me. There wasn't even anywhere to go for her after that. It was pointless. She overtook me with the same nonchalant style of a motorcyclist weaving to the front of slow-moving traffic.

Couldn't believe it! Evil or Very Mad. Sadly I was turning off at the next set of lights so the best rage I could manage was a raised left hand of 'wtf' fury, and a long honking of the horn as I turned away.

And this road was full of little central reservation sorts of things where pedestrians would stand as they cross half the road, so it really 100% is not a place for cars to be overtaking in any way shape of form.

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PostPosted: 08:56 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you ride, and was your road position dominant enough?

If yes, probably just a twat. (The car driver, not the OP.)
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had you filtered past her at any point?

Seems some people like to retaliate even though bikes are legal, cars are not.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
Had you filtered past her at any point?

Seems some people like to retaliate even though bikes are legal, cars are not.


Cars are definately legal. I see them driving past policemen all the time and none get arrested.

I've even seen the policemen IN the cars. Eating donuts.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:
Had you filtered past her at any point?

Seems some people like to retaliate even though bikes are legal, cars are not.


Had one of them this morning. Filtered to the front of heavy accident related traffic and moved into the middle lane due to a lane closed on A406. Traffic set off with a green light to the iron bridge. Nobody goes above 40mph on that stretch due to a speed camera before the iron bridge. Had a guy behind me inches away from my wheel the whole way to the speed camera. As we passed it and went into the bends on the iron bridge I was suddenly aware of something to my right. The twat behind was trying to squeeze between me and the guy in the right side lane. Feckin shit myself, was in the middle of the lane and due to a truck half in the lane to my left I had nowhere to go. managed to let him past. Once past me he sat on the limit or below in the middle lane until I turned off.

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PostPosted: 09:26 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I was thinking I'd probably made her mad by filtering past her at some point earlier on, but still the way she went round me was just so carefree, there was no urgency to what she did, no rage, no desire to push back in front of me. It was just such a casual cruise around me, it made no sense whatsoever.

My bike is a normal sized bike, without L plates, my road position was fine. I saw her overtaking in my mirror so I actually did pull in a bit then, just as a standard reaction, but immediately my mind then began to whirl into a 'wtf' frenzy Laughing.

Just can't believe it happened. The main thing that surprises me is how that particular small section of road just isn't for overtaking at all. No driver of any level of sensibility would do it, specially in the calm, carefree way that she did.

I do think it's because she was foreign and thought it was normal. Just putting it out there. Nothing against foreigners, but clearly some will have habits from their own country's style of driving.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If she was Italian then maybe. Thinking
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hit post up there and something dawned on me.

I can count on one hand how many near misses I have had over the last few years. Have always put it down to having decent city road craft. This last month though I seem to have had some sort 'event' while riding every couple of days. Maybe its me? Maybe some things up with my road craft?

Maybe I am becoming the idiot people rant about?

May as well do something about it. Time to take the Bike Safe course I have been eyeing I guess.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had this happen to me a few weeks ago. A young woman in a Mini (the modern "Mini" that's the same size as a normal car) was following me so close behind that my daughter riding on the back could have leaned back on to her car. We're moving through dense high street traffic, with solid walls of parked cars either side (otherwise I would have pulled over and let her pass). She then overtakes me, in the middle of the high street, and nudges her way into the not-quite-car-sized slot in front of me. OK, what did that buy her? Less than a car length. I tried not to take it personally, until I went to slip passed her at the next set of lights and she speeds up and cuts me off.

WTF!

I pulled up along side her and said (calmly, I think. Remember, my daughter's on the back) that she's not driving safely. She flicks her hair at me and rolls up her window. We then proceeded on, her directly in front of me, going nowhere, until she turns into a Tesco parking lot a couple of miles down the road...

Completely pointless aggressive driving, for nothing. Since losing the L plates, I rarely run into people who are really anti-motorcycle and/or find a two-wheeler in front of them to be a personal insult. This was one of those.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sable wrote:
May as well do something about it. Time to take the Bike Safe course I have been eyeing I guess.


I went on a BikeSafe day last weekend in London. I didn't really learn anything new, but it was reassuring to have a cop follow me around all day ("ride like you normally do, except keep to the speed limits") and be assessed as safe.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Re: Today a woman filtered past me... in her car. Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Andshewasclearlyfromanothercountry.

It's OK to say this out loud.

Even the DfT have noticed that there's an issue with Jumoke and Jiang Foreigner waltzing in with direct-swap licenses that they got from their cousin at wholesale prices.

Even at that, you can still swan in, wave a fag packet with your name on it, and drive for a year before you're even supposed to sit a UK test.

ANPR and "safety" cameras check the vehicle, not the driver.

The prospect of commuting into any urban area with a lot of high scrabble score names doesn't fill me with enthusiasm.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand what the problem is here. So someone nonchalantly cruised past you then tucked back in without causing you to change your speed or course.

Why so serious?
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I don't understand what the problem is here. So someone nonchalantly cruised past you then tucked back in without causing you to change your speed or course.

Why so serious?


That's a very good point, actually. In my similar case, I was already annoyed at the woman for driving dangerously close, so I took the overtake personally, and then had anger-management issues when she moved to block me from overtaking her.

It's really an attitude thing. On another day (or if she wasn't a tail-gate twat), I might not have noticed.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I don't understand what the problem is here. So someone nonchalantly cruised past you then tucked back in without causing you to change your speed or course.

Why so serious?


To be honest I did have to make way for her a bit. I can't really remember how it affected me because I was too busy being confused about what the hell she was doing. You have to admit what she did was way out of the ordinary. The road has central traffic islands all the way along it and the traffic was going at a safe and normal rate, so what she did just made no sense. She also surely broke the speed limit a bit to overtake me Tut Tut, because I certainly wasn't crawling along.

I made a whole thread about it because I've been sat at home in front of my computer for 3 or 4 days now revising. Well, actually I've been on BCF more than anything. Basically I'm procrastinating quite nicely Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Re: Today a woman filtered past me... in her car. Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Even at that, you can still swan in, wave a fag packet with your name on it, and drive for a year before you're even supposed to sit a UK test.


The prospect of commuting into any urban area with a lot of high scrabble score names doesn't fill me with enthusiasm.


When I was in Oz, my Korean mate ran red lights and 'give way' signs every single time. He'd sometimes tell me about the times he had Australian car drivers getting angry with him, and he had absolutely no idea why. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 12 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I don't understand what the problem is here. So someone nonchalantly cruised past you then tucked back in without causing you to change your speed or course.

Why so serious?


Maybe:

Lord Percy wrote:
There wasn't even anywhere to go for her after that. It was pointless.


That's what bugs me about pointless urban/suburban overtakes, and see also tailgating.

Well done, you're now nearly three seconds closer to your destination, which you'll likely just lose at the next junction or roundabout anyway unless you can keep making progress.

It's either piss poor obs, or a miscomprehension of basic physics, and I don't want to be around folk like that when they're at the helm of a Megajoule or so of kinetic energy.
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PostPosted: 07:11 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Re: Today a woman filtered past me... in her car. Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:

Andshewasclearlyfromanothercountry.


so it would have irked you less or not been an issue if she was the 'right' color or not from another country? because as we all know it's only foreigners who have bad driving habits.
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PostPosted: 08:05 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Re: Today a woman filtered past me... in her car. Reply with quote

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so it would have irked you less or not been an issue if she was the 'right' color or not from another country? Because as we all know it's only foreigners who have bad driving habits.


I personally believe Asians are significantly overrepresented in the innattentive, crap drivers category.

Don't have any figures to hand but I'll see if I can find some later.

Certainly the few Asians I know freely admit to it.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Re: Today a woman filtered past me... in her car. Reply with quote

ElBandido wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:

Andshewasclearlyfromanothercountry.


so it would have irked you less or not been an issue if she was the 'right' color or not from another country? because as we all know it's only foreigners who have bad driving habits.


Ask yourself why foreigners get bad rep for poor driving.

I think generally us brits are a courteous bunch where the general attitude in many other countries is 'every man for himself'. This seems to apply even more the further East you go. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Re: Today a woman filtered past me... in her car. Reply with quote

fox wrote:
I think generally us brits are a courteous bunch where the general attitude in many other countries is 'every man for himself'. This seems to apply even more the further East you go. Rolling Eyes


Maybe it's just the neighbourhoods I ride through, but the needle-dick banker in his Porche who is tail-gating me, the wide-boy in the Mercedes M-Series hogging the right lane and the woman with the bright blue nail polish jabbering away on her mobile while weaving her Audi erratically... They all look fairly "pale" to me.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people's brains do not require logic before they carry out an action. This may have been one of those moments. Don't try and reason or question, just accept that person had a puff of air between their ears.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Re: Today a woman filtered past me... in her car. Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
ElBandido wrote:

so it would have irked you less or not been an issue if she was the 'right' color or not from another country? Because as we all know it's only foreigners who have bad driving habits.

I personally believe Asians are significantly overrepresented in the innattentive, crap drivers category.

I doubt you'll find any, it's not the done thing to record it.

Purely anecdotally: I read about a Canadian university that turned up a strong correlation between accident rates and Asian ethnicity and were told "How very dare you!". So they stripped the ethnicity and just listed it by name *cough* Wong, Lee, Cheung *cough*.

It's doubtless completely untrue, because of course everyone has the right to be absolutely identical and equal.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

some people just don't think about what their doing and bumble through life on auto-pilot. a couple of months back I was waiting in line at traffic lights, dead stop, single lane, small town, and a women, late 50s/early 60s drove up by the side of me. just casually pulled up by the side. she was just over the white line and couldn't get past me as I was only a few feet from the car in front. I shouted "what the fuck do you think your doing?" and she sort of made "what's the problem" gestures. I was right in the middle of the lane. I have no understanding of what she was trying to accomplish
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

jetski wrote:
I was right in the middle of the lane.


Weird. What happened when the lights changed? Did she fall back in behind you or try to get in front?
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 13 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hold the front page. Shocked

Car overtakes bike. Shocked

"This madness has to stop." Shocked
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