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 Posted: 12:58 - 14 Jun 2013 Post subject: Motorcyclists can join POLITE force |
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https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2013/June/jun1413-polite/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Motorcyclists have been told they can legally wear a high-visibility vest that resembles police uniform.
The yellow bibs have the word ‘polite’ printed on the back in large capital letters, along with a strip of blue-and-white crosshatching similar to designs traditionally worn by police.
Cyclists in London already wear them to get drivers to give them more space, after Met commander Bob Broadhurst said they were not illegal. Now the Met has said motorcyclists can wear them too.
A spokesman said: ‘It does not look like a police uniform. It is merely a high visibility jacket so would not be illegal. It is illegal to impersonate a police officer, so that would mean claiming to be a police officer. Nowhere on the jacket shown does it even say police.’
The full message on the bib is ‘Polite notice think bike’. The makers admit there is little difference between the chequered strip on the bib and blue-and-white crosshatching used by police.
Nicky Fletcher, MD of Equisafety, said: “In 2010 we showed the head of ACPO for the mounted section and they cleared it, they said it was fine to use.”
The firm’s website quotes one cyclist as saying: “Sometimes it's like a force field around me when I'm on my bike as cars don't seem to want to get too close to me.”
Equisafety, in Wirral, Merseyside, has won a contract to supply its POLITE range to cycle firm Raleigh, but Fletcher said the bibs were not marketed for motorcyclists.
She said: “We don’t make them for motorbikes. We only make them for cyclists and horse riders at the moment. We know there is a market for motorbikes but we don’t think they’re strong enough just yet.”
The bibs are on sale at www.highvisibility.uk.com ____________________ Current: Honda 2015 MSX125.
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Conzar |
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I see some good trolling to come of this  ____________________ Current ride: ZX6R 636 ------- Previous:KTM EXC 450 Supermoto --- ZX6R B1H --Hornet 600--CBR 600--SV650
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Oh god, I can see it now, all the Police wannabes buying these!
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Where can I get one? ____________________ 1992 ZXR 400 |
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I would feel like a right muppet wearing one of those, I have enough trouble with the ghey appearance of normal high viz vests*... I'm so fickle and vain
*I did wear one on the dark rides home in winter though, and made Mr Yaigi wear his cos on a black bike with a shit back light and black gear plus helmet, he was in full on stealth mode, especially when you saw him from behind  ____________________ What would you do in life, if you knew you could not fail?
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That's a tricky one.
On MCN, a really smart poster wrote: |
Police Act 1996 S90 (2) quoth: "Any person who, not being a constable, wears any article of police uniform in circumstances where it gives him an appearance so nearly resembling that of a member of a police force as to be calculated to deceive shall be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale."
I make that 2 out of 3. The intent clearly is to deceive, otherwise it would say "READ YOUR HIGHWAY CODE YOU SPACKER" (or perhaps "CAREFUL NOW"). It's technically not quite an article of "police" uniform though, so he's likely right that they wouldn't get a conviction. |
I think that guy has it right about the POLITE vests, but using the word "police" is sailing verrrry close to the wind. It's not actually "an article of police uniform" though, as I'm sure a barrister would point out for £500 on hour plus expenses.
Be advised, if my long threatened office move plays out and I end up doing a rush hour motorway commute, I'll be on a battenburged POLITE bike quicker than you can say "procurator fiscal". ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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I would have thought it would be really annoying as everybody is going to slow down as soon as they see you behind them.
If I think the car behind me could be an umarked police car I'll want to stay at the speed limit but then to actually stay at the speed limit without constantly watching the speedo you need to sit a few mph under it. ____________________ Yamaha FZR400RR 3tj
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Yeah I saw one of those numpties in February, by Clapham Common. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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ginny wrote: | Going by the legislation, You'd still be meeting the standards for impersonating police... |
Who would, and how so?
I quoted it up above, it's Police Act 1996 Section 90.
The full text is:
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90 Impersonation, etc.
(1)Any person who with intent to deceive impersonates a member of a police force or special constable, or makes any statement or does any act calculated falsely to suggest that he is such a member or constable, shall be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or to both.
(2)Any person who, not being a constable, wears any article of police uniform in circumstances where it gives him an appearance so nearly resembling that of a member of a police force as to be calculated to deceive shall be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.
(3)Any person who, not being a member of a police force or special constable, has in his possession any article of police uniform shall, unless he proves that he obtained possession of that article lawfully and has possession of it for a lawful purpose, be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 1 on the standard scale.
(4)In this section—
(a)“article of police uniform” means any article of uniform or any distinctive badge or mark or document of identification usually issued to members of police forces or special constables, or anything having the appearance of such an article, badge, mark or document,
(aa)“member of a police force” includes a member of the British Transport Police Force,] and
(b)“special constable” means a special constable appointed for a police area. |
The "standards" are really not clear when it comes to something that's not actually police uniform.
However, there's part (1) which covers any "any act". I mention that because the chap a couple of posts up there is "Sergeant Eros", the stripping copper.
He was finally convicted of impersonation not because of his uniform (which says "STRIPPER" on the back) but because the prat put strobes in his car and was pulling people over, pretending to talk into a microphone and then driving off, for reasons that could best be described as mental. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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I have a police issue blouson style jacket with the blue and silver strip on.... i wear it for work ____________________ CBT - 17/09/12 * Theory - 23/10/12 * Mod1 - 05/03/13 * Mod2 - 25/03/13 * BOSH!
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 362 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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