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PostPosted: 00:31 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: 0% Finance. Reply with quote

Would like your opinions, thoughts and experiences with 0% finance interest free deals on bikes?

Went along with my mate the other day to a bike dealership to give my opinion on the bikes he has in mind, sat with him as they discussed the whole deal, hes decided to think about it.

On paper it seems like a good deal, small deposit, followed by monthly payments on a 2 year payment plan, but I have no experience with 0% financing and can't offer my opinion since I buy from private sellers.

All I know is, if it sounds to good to be true, and all that..
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

He won't be able to sell it until it's all paid off.
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PostPosted: 00:44 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

daverave999 wrote:
He won't be able to sell it until it's all paid off.


Not true, sometimes there 'personal loans' and not loans on the bike and therefore can be sold. So if the a payment is missed they'll come after your friend not the bike... if u buy ur bike from Honda that is.
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd recommend it, there's nothing hidden it is 0% (in my experience).
And the best bit about it is that u can pay off the rest of the bike early (like i did)... but this is in my experience with my local Honda dealers.
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PostPosted: 05:04 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I echo what others have said. I've got my 6f on 0%, fantastic deal, had my restrictor thrown in free and a free end can.

Its just like saving, but you get the bike before you've saved for it and you are only paying back the cost of the bike not a tasty 29.9% interest.... that i had to pay on my first 125!!!
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PostPosted: 05:32 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the small initial deposits and then small monthly repayments over 2 years, is there not a horrendous final payment at the end of the loan term?
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PostPosted: 06:43 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought my XJ6N on 0% finance. I was saving up for a new bike and I had a decent deposit which made the monthly repayments £85 a year. For me it was the difference between buying a second hand model of the same bike or buying it brand new in the colour scheme I wanted.

The factors to take in are as follows:

Is the finance secured on your bike? If so you have to keep it for the full term.

The bikes depreciation if you ride out of the showroom means you can lose up to £1000 of the value instantly.

You have a monthly repayment to make for the full length of the contract and the Yamaha one is 4 years. Lots could happen in 4 years so you need to think "Will the monthly payments be affordable even if I lose my job?"

The upsides:

You get a brand new bike without paying interest.

Piece of mind knowing your bike has not been ragged to its nuts.

3 years no MOT.

A bike that, if you look after it you can sell for decent money at the end of the term. Current shape 2009 XJ6N's sell for around 3-4K on Ebay. Yes its not as much as the 6K I am paying for the bike brand new but its still not a bad sum of money.

0% is a good thing. It means you are paying for the bike and not to line the finance companies pockets.
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PostPosted: 07:00 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The bikes depreciation if you ride out of the showroom means you can lose up to £1000 of the value instantly"

Thats the same buying new on finance or in full anyway.

The other thing to bear in mind is, if there is finance outstanding on the bike you'll still owe it if you don't have the bike - if you sell it, you've got to pay the finance off

If it's written off in a crash (your fault) you still need to pay the finance off

if someone crashes into it and writes it off you need the insurance to cover paying the finance off. This could result in an insurance payout to yourself being not much as it should clear any finance before paying you.

0% finance is essentially the manufacturer or dealer wanting to shift products to keep production moving, it's essentially like borrowing the money to buy the bike from a mate who only cares about getting the money back, not interest and has some scary mates if you don't pay and it's legally binding.
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PostPosted: 07:35 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was looking at the xj6 on 0% but can't afford to at the moment Sad
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've made this mistakes make sure he will be happy with a 125 for even one year. In finding it a basterd to sell my wr a lot cheaper than others listed on eBay simply because it has finance outstanding.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does he have the cash to pay it up front?
If so, get the 0% finance deal and stick the cash in the bank.

If he doesn't, tell him to get a cheaper bike.
Plebs take loans out to buy toys. Is he a pleb?

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PostPosted: 08:52 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
Does he have the cash to pay it up front?
If so, get the 0% finance deal and stick the cash in the bank.

If he doesn't, tell him to get a cheaper bike.
Plebs take loans out to buy toys. Is he a pleb?

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_But_ is he a pleb if he buys a toy on 0% finance (with no savings) and his total annual expenditure is nineteen pounds nineteen and six?
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

goto10 wrote:
_But_ is he a pleb if he buys a toy on 0% finance (with no savings) and his total annual expenditure is nineteen pounds nineteen and six?


As soon as you sign the dotted line you're committed to buying the whole thing.

In my mind it's equivalent to spending the whole amount now. 'Paying for it over a period of time' is just an accounting trick.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my case it wouldn't be a toy, it's my primary transport, I don't have a car, however i'm not daft enough to go ahead with it without being sure I have a bigger deposit and can keep up the payments
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may work out better to buy a 6 - 12 month old machine and haggle on the interest rate, this can offset the zero per cent finance by not having lost the initial depreciation hit (depending if you are savvy enough to get a good price on the bike AND haggle the interest rate)
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
goto10 wrote:
_But_ is he a pleb if he buys a toy on 0% finance (with no savings) and his total annual expenditure is nineteen pounds nineteen and six?


As soon as you sign the dotted line you're committed to buying the whole thing.

In my mind it's equivalent to spending the whole amount now. 'Paying for it over a period of time' is just an accounting trick.


I sort of agree, but on 0% it doesn't seem like a big deal. Say you earn 30k, and want to buy a 6 grand bike. You could save the money up until you have enough, or you could have the bike now, and be paying it off, or you could not have the bike and save the money. Obviously if there is little or no early repayment charge and you are disciplined enough to make the payments it could work out nicely. Of course you could argue that by the time you've saved the money it could buy you the same model for cheaper, but then you won't have had as much usage out of it so for YOUR monies worth, it might not work out.

I'll use myself as an example. After rent/bills/insurance etc I end up with about 900 a month. I could easily save 600 and not really cut back on much of my fun stuff. In 10 months I could have a shiny new motorcycle paid for. But also, I could have a shiny motorcycle now and pay it off in the same 10 months (presuming there is no charge for early repayment)

A fair few of my friends are on pretty decent salaries, but are terrible at saving. They got cars on pretty decent finance rates as they have a payment to make and therefore that money is taken from their income not allowing it to be disposable. It works for them.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyro. wrote:
You could save the money up until you have enough


I agree with most of what you're posting but this principle of having funds earmarked for a specific purpose is odd to me.

If you make a decision to save money _for something_, as opposed to simply saving it for a rainy day/the future/whatever, then you may as well buy it on 0% finance because you're already committed. As soon as you say 'right, I want that' there is no sense in waiting. Hell, at that point, paying 3, 4, 5% interest might be worth it just to get the item while you're still excited about it.

It's the principle of choosing to spend every last penny (or even 60% of your savings) on something that's really a luxury that strikes me as problematic. And even more so using a bank or a loan company to manage your finances because you're 'bad with money' (translation: a weak person).

Shini - it's a toy in the sense that generally a 0% finance deal will be on a brand new bike. You are spending probably triple the amount of a decent used bike. It's clearly an extravagance. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but choosing to recognise it is quite important IMO.

Well aware that my opinion isn't very popular, but eh. I'm here to balance out the constant barrage of 'buy it! buy it now! you deserve a treat!'. You deserve a secure financial future, not a lump of metal that will be remembered as a big mistake if you ever end up in difficulty.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Davenaylor wrote:
With the small initial deposits and then small monthly repayments over 2 years, is there not a horrendous final payment at the end of the loan term?


Yes. My understanding from when I was looking at it is this:

You buy the bike - low deposit, 3 years 0% at low repayment rates. After 3 years, you have 3 options:
- Pay a couple of grand to own the bike outright
- Give the bike back and walk away
- Trade the bike in for a new model on the same deal.

According to the sales guy I was speaking to, the repayments are normally calculated so that the trade-in value after 3 years is more or less what you'll owe to buy it outright. The general idea is that it works as a lease, with your repayments staying the same and you just getting a new bike every 3 years.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are people so anti finance on bikes? If you can afford the repayments, and don't want an older/used bike, then do it, 0% is just the icing on the cake!
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Golgarth wrote:
Why are people so anti finance on bikes? If you can afford the repayments, and don't want an older/used bike, then do it, 0% is just the icing on the cake!


Generalizing here, but usually people who opt for finance are often bad with money, therefore likely have no savings to fall on if circumstances change and can't afford the repayments.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes you are able to get a batter deal on finance even if its 0%

Some manufactures offer bonus's on finance penetration regardless of the rate. This then can be used to negotiate a better deal.

Throw in some gear or a kit as others as described.

I am all for 0% if its free. If you have the lump sum then chuck it in an ''amazing'' 3% fixed interest for the 2 years and you have made money - couple of quid but its all money.

I got for buy now and pay later / 0% if its free but bare in mind I have no credit cards / loans I am having to pay for. No point in borrowing if its going to stretch you! - I am very good with money but still use finance.

Another bonus- having finance on the bike makes the finance company jointly responsible if the bike goes wrong or sour so you get more piece of mind!
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:


If it's written off in a crash (your fault) you still need to pay the finance off.


Gap insurance at around £100 will cover the shortfall so actually you dont need to have the bike the full term - just smash it Wink

Also can give it back and walk away after half the term without damage to credit rating!
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

timbstoke wrote:
You buy the bike - low deposit, 3 years 0% at low repayment rates. After 3 years, you have 3 options: ...

You buy an interest in it. The finance company remains the owner until you've paid off every penny.

I have no particular axe to grind, although I find the insurance issue to be interesting. IME, insurers generally ask if you "own" the vehicle, which you don't if you have it on finance. It could actually be viewed as a liability rather than an asset, as you owe it to someone and can't dispose of it without their permission.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Roger said is actually really interesting - so you should technically state your not the owner?

But then my insurance only asked if I am the registered keeper.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 26 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had 2 bikes on 0%, it was it says on the tin, a loan for nothing back but the payments?
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