buying a cat b, advice UPDATE V5 HAS ARRIVED

[Pol Anorl]

Looking at buying a bike, cat b as far as im aware, hpi check says not written off but its obv not updated, where do i stand with a cat b thats only got a scratch on the frame?

Do i need to change the frame or is there any LEGAL way i can use it without having to do that.

Update:

Spoke to dvla.


They said
They can only advise what insurers say and that it SHOULD not be used on the road not must not be.

Also they said they don't get told of a cat b write off's only c + d as they need a vic check.

Why do dvla always insist bikes need a vic test lol.

Advised me to ring insurance and see if they would insure me on a cat b.

Update:

called insurance, passed round the office more times than warpeds tranny girlfriend..

They all said yes its not a problem i can get insurance.

so thats insurance: yes
tax: yes
mot: yes
v5: ARRIVED!
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[Nexus Icon]

I've heard of someone having a bike inspected and reclassified but that was just after the Cat B order had been issued. They were successful, as it happens, as there wasn't a mark on the frame.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was occasionally cheaper for an insurance company to classify something B, rather than C, if they don't take into consideration what's best for the customer. It wouldn't surprise me at all.
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[J.M.]

As far as I'm aware, there's nothing legally stopping you. However, getting the likes of the DVLA to believe that may be another matter.
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[Rogerborg]

I've never seen any actual legislation about it. I believe it's all cooked up by insurers and the DVLA, and there's not even a VIC issue for bikes.

Thing is, how would you know a vehicle's been written off? The free DVLA vehicle check and askMID don't tell you, and neither do insurers when you buy a policy. Like heck am I paying them extra for a HPI check, so for all I know, every single one of my (2nd hand) bikes have been written off.

All that said, I wouldn't knowingly touch a cat B simply because of the hassle of dealing with the forces of idiocracy.
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[Pol Anorl]

Getting conflicting info, will ring dvla and my insurance tomorrow
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[Pol Anorl]

Ah ok so if i can get a v5 i should be fine
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[Pol Anorl]

Ok home now and done some googling..

So theory is..
apply for v5, dvla say yes then jobs a gooden i can just go straight out and use it?

would i have to take it to be moted or anything?
if dvla refused the logbook in my name could i get it re-inspected and try get it downgraded to cat c?
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[Efes123]

Expect a visit from the cops. That's what happened to me when I bought a Cat b and applied for the V5. As I'd already bought a 2nd frame (and V5), then they were OK, and actually quite helpful. But, they did recommend that I scrap the old frame.
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[truslack]

I (accidentally, and unbeknownst) taxed, MOTed and insured a Cat B bike, and rode it for 6 months, then sold it to a mate, who taxed, MOTed and insured it - all without problem. We only found out 2 years later that it had been written off.
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[Pol Anorl]

Spoke to dvla.


They said
They can only advise what insurers say and that it SHOULD not be used on the road not must not be.

Also they said they don't get told of a cat b write off's only c + d as they need a vic check.

Why do dvla alway sinsist bikes need a vic test lol.

Advised me to ring insurance and see if they would insure me on a cat b.

Update:

called insurance, passed round the office more times than warpeds tranny girlfriend..

They all said yes its not a problem i can get insurance.

so thats insurance: yes
tax: yes
mot: yes

v5: tbc
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Good work on reporting findings .

Nice to have a reference to point to when others ask, at least.

Note that some people have had trouble with various places, but they shouldn't have because, as you've found, there seems to be legal standing for any of it.

[Pol Anorl]

Going to be around 2 weeks before v5 is anywhere near arriving or being declined so stagnent thread till then
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[Pie-Roe]

As it's me selling him it, would it be better for him to apply for one separately, so I can destroy mine when he receives his? Or does it not really matter too much?

The dvla have no notification of the bike as of yet, I'm not sure when this happens, as the claim isn't settled (but both sides of solicitors given me written proof I can sell it)
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[Shaft]

If it were me, I would send your V5 to the DVLA, informing them of a change of keeper; that is your responsibility and if you don't, it could bite you in the arse later.
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Not strictly relevant, but certainly related. My Triumph is a Cat C and I had a small amount of the run around from Carol Nash when insuring it, I suspect it was more an idiot in the call centre than anything else mind. I initially got told I'd need to get the bike MOTed and have a VIC check on it, after some confused digging around, another phonecall back comfirmed that actually I wouldn't need either and that they were happy to insure it there and then

Beyond that, my garage confirmed it was Cat C on it's first MOT last month but otherwise it's not even been mentioned. Quite happy with the savings tbh
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[Pol Anorl]

just a little update:

Bike is now in my posession v5 is done so waiting to get new v5.
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[Pol Anorl]

New update! Full of win

V5 has arrived!!! Happy days
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[Efes123]

Good result, loads of win
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