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PostPosted: 10:47 - 30 Jun 2013    Post subject: My son Chris on Channel TV news - 'Ridiculous' biker laws Reply with quote
Talking about his accident (foot crushed by a Volvo) and 'Ridiculous' laws that leave young bikers at risk (Channel TV Headline) I wish he'd brushed his hair!

https://www.channelonline.tv/channelonline_guernseynews/displayarticle.asp?id=505363
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 30 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Great, two young bikers advocating the modern ban-culture preventionist stalinism that has helped turn the human experience into one big yawn.

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PostPosted: 11:24 - 30 Jun 2013    Post subject: Re: My son Chris on Channel TV news - 'Ridiculous' biker law Reply with quote
Baisemontchou wrote:
Talking about his accident (foot crushed by a Volvo) and 'Ridiculous' laws that leave young bikers at risk (Channel TV Headline) I wish he'd brushed his hair!

https://www.channelonline.tv/channelonline_guernseynews/displayarticle.asp?id=505363


Firstly, why does it matter what cc he was riding if his foot was crushed by a Volvo... as in not his fault?

Secondly, if he and his friend didn't seem like such gormless fools then I would be slightly more sympathetic. As if passing a simple test means you will no longer be a young lad who wants to go fast on his new toy, L plates or not.

Thirdly, I want to move to Guernsey if 17/18 year olds can get good enough jobs to buy newish 1200cc bikes and insure them. My point is, how many of these kids had their bikes paid for my their parents. Did you as a responsible parent do the token nagging/worrying about whether your kid is wearing at least the basics of gear?

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In December last year, 18-year-old Joseph Manning died after his motorbike collided with a car on Forest Road.

Prior to the accident he had been doing 84mph.


I had an accident 2 months ago, prior to the actual collision, I was riding at a lot more than 84 mph, more like 134mph. When the actual collision happened I was doing about 20-30mph.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 30 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Guernsey has a maximum speed limit of 35mph.

It's not like they can hoon off down NSL roads.
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 30 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
Great, two young bikers advocating the modern ban-culture preventionist stalinism that has helped turn the human experience into one big yawn.

https://www.ski-epic.com/gifs/g007_citizen_kane_slow_clap.gif


I understand he was asked leading questions - as was Corie. However, I did think it a bit incongruous, my 17-year-old taking about 'young kids today'. I guess 14-year-olds on 50's do look young to a 17-year-old.
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 30 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lady Phoenix wrote:


Riding a bike is a priviledge and not a right...


Say wut?!

Brick Wall Doh! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 30 Jun 2013    Post subject: Re: My son Chris on Channel TV news - 'Ridiculous' biker law Reply with quote
Pyro. wrote:

Firstly, why does it matter what cc he was riding if his foot was crushed by a Volvo... as in not his fault?


It doesn't.

Pyro. wrote:

Secondly, if he and his friend didn't seem like such gormless fools then I would be slightly more sympathetic. As if passing a simple test means you will no longer be a young lad who wants to go fast on his new toy, L plates or not.


I know. I don't have a problem with people riding on a Provisional either, if they renew it every two years they need to take a 1-hour DA to get it validated. An inspection and feedback on your riding skills by a professional instructor every two years doesn't sound bad to me if you are a 'new' rider.

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Thirdly, I want to move to Guernsey if 17/18 year olds can get good enough jobs to buy newish 1200cc bikes and insure them. My point is, how many of these kids had their bikes paid for my their parents. Did you as a responsible parent do the token nagging/worrying about whether your kid is wearing at least the basics of gear?


Are you asking me? My kids wear helmet, gloves and jacket all year round. They paid for their own bikes. Insurance is a little different here compared to the UK, obviously no 14-year-old could get insurance on a 50 in the UK. Even with my son's 3 years NCB he wouldn't be able to get insurance on a 1200cc. Lots do for a 600.

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In December last year, 18-year-old Joseph Manning died after his motorbike collided with a car on Forest Road.

Prior to the accident he had been doing 84mph.


I had an accident 2 months ago, prior to the actual collision, I was riding at a lot more than 84 mph, more like 134mph. When the actual collision happened I was doing about 20-30mph.


My last accident was at 10mph and (eventually) put me in hospital for 3-weeks.

Joseph overtook slow moving traffic and collided with a car turning right across his path.
https://www.thisisguernsey.com/news/2013/05/10/motorcyclist-who-died-was-doing-at-least-84mph-inquest-is-told/
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 30 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If I had my way I would change the law and not allow people bikes bigger than 50cc until they are 25. Too far? Probably, but you get what Im trying to say.

Riding a bike is a priviledge and not a right, so why are these kids allowed to ride such powerful bikes. I passed my test 12 years ago and have lots of road experience and I dont ride a bike as powerful as that, through choice!


I get what you're trying to say. You're happy to introduce new laws to young riders as it doesn't affect you.

Just because you choose to not ride a powerful bike doesn't mean that others should too.

I'm all for people to have the freedom of choice.

I was riding 1000cc sportsbikes at 19 and I'm not dead.
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 30 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lady Phoenix wrote:
Riding a bike is a priviledge [sic] and not a right


I find this oft-repeated but ugly mantra curious. Why do people keep saying that? What do you mean by a privilege? Is like something like a title bestowed by the Queen? Or perhaps a privilege in the sense of lettres de cachet? Or something you inherit through birth? What is it about little Englanders that makes them use such loaded terms about everyday things?

Do you have any other accomplishments to recount in your life apart from passing your bike licence? This is a serious question. I want to know what your line of thinking is. I can't fathom why someone would use the word 'privilege' in this context. A 'licence' means a permission that can be withdrawn. 'Privilege' seems ridiculously inappropriate. A licence is given to whoever passes the test. Privileges are exclusive.

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so why are these kids allowed to ride such powerful bikes. I passed my test 12 years ago and have lots of road experience and I dont ride a bike as powerful as that, through choice!


Saying that, you do realise that the immediate reaction any young person (not me - I'm not young) has is to conclude you are suffering from incurable jealousy? Also that there is an argument that almost every piece of safety legislation we have adopted is because of someone misrepresenting saying they have a moral obligation to look after someone else? All you're saying is that you should have the power to make choices for them. You're interfering with evolution.

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PostPosted: 17:26 - 30 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
OP standard media propaganda to me.

The people that govern us seem to want to protect us from ourselves even though we haven't asked them to.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 30 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
The people that govern us seem to want to protect us from ourselves even though we haven't asked them to.


Dead people can't pay for their salaries you know. Wink
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 30 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
[quote="Lady Phoenix"]I dont know what to say about this one

Then keep your big mouth shut
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completely off topic but i'd never heard of guernsey until this post lol and how come they have different plates compared to the rest of the UK?
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 02 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: My son Chris on Channel TV news - 'Ridiculous' biker law Reply with quote
TomGT wrote:
Maggot wrote:
F00k the hair.. give him some lettuce instead of burgers sometimes.

Obesity and biking don't get along well together.. Too much weight too high, more likely to crash Twisted Evil


His foot was fucked in a crash

He can't walk

Walking = exercise

He will gain wait, fucking tool Rolling Eyes


The amount of effort required to use crutches and eating a good diet and I've only put on 2kg over 2months of not walking. There are other ways to exercise. Putting weight on is obviously a terrible idea as then you put more strain on your weakened foot.

Oh wait, I forgot, you fucking tool, if you talk about shit you don't know about I'll beat your head in. It's not very nice when someone is abusive for no reason right?
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 07 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
HondaAz wrote:
completely off topic but i'd never heard of guernsey until this post lol and how come they have different plates compared to the rest of the UK?


Because we're not part of the UK. Smile

Jersey and Alderney also have their own plates.
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 08 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Every bike and car should be restricted to 70mph Rolling Eyes Wink Wink

BTW: Why they call the car "Volvo" and not just a "car"?
And why they say it was a car and not driver who crushed the rider's leg?
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PostPosted: 02:20 - 09 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lady Phoenix wrote:
why let kids loose on them?


An 18 year old is not a child.

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If I had my way I would change the law and not allow people bikes bigger than 50cc until they are 25. Too far? Probably, but you get what Im trying to say.


Sure, I get it. You'd take my only mode of transport from me. Fortunately, as I'm not beholden to you, you don't have that power.

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why are these kids allowed to ride such powerful bikes.


They're not children.

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I passed my test 12 years ago and have lots of road experience and I dont ride a bike as powerful as that, through choice!


I passed my test one year ago and I'll buy and ride whatever I bloody well please, because I am not a slave to you.

Your sentiment strikes me as rather odd mainly because you'll derive no real benefit from enacting such a policy. I can understand wanting to restrict others' rights if it'd make you better off. Kill a few rabbits, sell a few skins.

But you'd curb my livelihood. And for what end? Mmm. Evil, indeed.
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PostPosted: 02:49 - 09 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: My son Chris on Channel TV news - 'Ridiculous' biker law Reply with quote
Pyro. wrote:
The amount of effort required to use crutches and eating a good diet and I've only put on 2kg over 2months of not walking. There are other ways to exercise. Putting weight on is obviously a terrible idea as then you put more strain on your weakened foot.

Oh wait, I forgot, you fucking tool, if you talk about shit you don't know about I'll beat your head in. It's not very nice when someone is abusive for no reason right?


I'll slag your kids off over the internet and see how you like it, bet he wouldn't have said that to OP's face
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 09 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: My son Chris on Channel TV news - 'Ridiculous' biker law Reply with quote
TomGT wrote:
Pyro. wrote:
The amount of effort required to use crutches and eating a good diet and I've only put on 2kg over 2months of not walking. There are other ways to exercise. Putting weight on is obviously a terrible idea as then you put more strain on your weakened foot.

Oh wait, I forgot, you fucking tool, if you talk about shit you don't know about I'll beat your head in. It's not very nice when someone is abusive for no reason right?


I'll slag your kids off over the internet and see how you like it, bet he wouldn't have said that to OP's face


I'm trying to rise above it - the personal comments about my son are clearly from utterly perfect, blemish free individuals.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 09 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lady Phoenix wrote:


Riding a bike is a priviledge and not a right, so why are these kids allowed to ride such powerful bikes. I passed my test 12 years ago and have lots of road experience and I dont ride a bike as powerful as that, through choice!


priviledge ?
What do you mean ?
priviledged by who ?
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 12 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lady Phoenix wrote:
I dont know what to say about this one.

If the maximum speed limit anywhere in Guernsey is 35 mph then why do people need bikes that go so fast? Then, why let kids loose on them?

If I had my way I would change the law and not allow people bikes bigger than 50cc until they are 25. Too far? Probably, but you get what Im trying to say.

Riding a bike is a priviledge and not a right, so why are these kids allowed to ride such powerful bikes. I passed my test 12 years ago and have lots of road experience and I dont ride a bike as powerful as that, through choice!


Dickhead.
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