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PostPosted: 19:08 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Running reds... Reply with quote

...who else does it?
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Running reds... Reply with quote

carlosthejackal wrote:
...who else does it?

Retards
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only commuters in my experience.

I will only run a red light if it is obvious the sensors have not picked up the fact i'm waiting, which is allowed in the Highway Code.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Running reds... Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:34 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonB wrote:

I will only run a red light if it is obvious the sensors have not picked up the fact i'm waiting, which is allowed in the Highway Code.


It is?

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PostPosted: 20:35 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paying attention to red lights is optional. Middle Finger Mr. Green Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:


It is?

All the best

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Point 176: https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/road-junctions-170-to-183

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You MUST NOT move forward over the white line when the red light is showing. Only go forward when the traffic lights are green if there is room for you to clear the junction safely or you are taking up a position to turn right. If the traffic lights are not working, treat the situation as you would an unmarked junction and proceed with great care.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 36

This topic has been done to death on cycling forums. If the sensors are not detecting the bicycle, they are deemed to be faulty.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.
You don't lose that much time, and I usually need the break.
Also gives you sprint start practice.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonB wrote:

This topic has been done to death on cycling forums. If the sensors are not detecting the bicycle, they are deemed to be faulty.

Is there any legal precedent for that, out of interest?
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonB wrote:

This topic has been done to death on cycling forums. If the sensors are not detecting the bicycle, they are deemed to be faulty.


Wouldn't expect a light which is working by displaying red to count as non working.

A legal precedent would be interesting

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PostPosted: 22:09 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, because I like the challenge of racing mopeds and cars off the lights!

Despite using the road mostly, if I see a red and there's a cycle lane on the pavement, I hop onto the cycle lane. If not, I'll wait in the box and have a sip from my camelback.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Wouldn't expect a light which is working by displaying red to count as non working.


Most of the non-working lights I've seen were stuck on displaying red. Either the sensor doesn't work (often in the rain, or it is pointed at the wrong bit of road especially when there are two or more lanes leading up to the lights), or the lights were based on a timed cycle, but the light never changed from red during its "turn".

I've seen far more lights broken displaying red, than broken displaying nothing.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do it. At night when roads empty I treat them like a stop and go. I sometimes do it in day at a familiar intersection when no cages coming and I'm turning left
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 14 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the time. Reds are advisory only whilst on the pushie. If you use the path to avoid them you are unsalvagebly gay.
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PostPosted: 07:38 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has to depend on the situation. Lights controlling a junction - no chance. A pedestrian crossing that all pedestrians have cleared and no more crossing... Probably.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodsi wrote:
It has to depend on the situation.


This. I recently left a job in Manchester city centre where I'd start at around 10pm and finish between 2-4am. I live about 4 miles out of town and come across loads of traffic lights. Chances are on the way in to work I'd be sticking to the lights (although jumping kerbs on the ones I knew the sequence of or the ones I was going left at etc) but on the way home it would be like a ghost town so I'd just run everything with a bit of a care. I suppose that makes me a mass kitten slayer or something Laughing.

If I know the sequence of a set of lights then I'll probably go a few seconds before the amber and red show together too just to give me a bit of a head start. Sure there could be an amber gambler on the other set of lights about to take me out but if you can see that's it's clear then I go for it.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there's no one around and if it's clearly sighted, yes.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This questions is the same as asking any motorist if they at all times observe the speed limit.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodsi wrote:
This questions is the same as asking any motorist if they at all times observe the speed limit.


I don't think it is. A red light for you means that someone else has a green light, they are not expecting anyone - pedestrian, cyclist or motorist - to come through the red so aren't prepared to take action against it.
With a speed limit, you can always expect some kind of moving hazard, at whatever speed they might be travelling.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, but rather than mixing up specifics and concept - lets stick with concept.

In concept, depending on the situation running a red light is not dangerous to anybody other than yourself on a push bike. This is the same as driving/riding above the speed limit.

Now for specific (see last post) a clear, pedestrian crossing that is not controlling a junction would have little chance of putting anybody in danger.

A red light controlling a junction and other traffic AND there is traffic on the road (whatever junction that may be) you would need to have a death with/be a complete eeeejit to run it.

Riding/driving at 80mph on a clear national speed limit single carriageway with good visibility would not put anybody other than yourself in any more danger.

Riding/Driving at 80mph passed a Kitten school in a 30 zone with mothers dropping off their excited Kittens is a stupid idea.

So... Back to my original point.

Depends on the situation. Other cyclists will/may ignore some of these or take greater chances - but this is reflective of any sub group of road users. Personally, I will be honest - I do run reds but only in certain situations which are too vast to list each one of.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Running reds... Reply with quote

carlosthejackal wrote:
Running reds... ...who else does it?

From the BCF archive the woman who hit Serendipity last year obviously does!
Link click here.

The YouTube link here.

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PostPosted: 12:14 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Running reds... Reply with quote

Also - watched a police van not on an emergency do this.

Confident they weren't on an emergency as no lights and when they saw a car coming on the next traffic light set on the roundabout they stopped appropriately.

They were heading home in the early hours of the morning (the roundabout was outside the police station) and no one was about.

I have no problem with them doing that - I would have a problem if they tried to 'do' a member of the public for the same thing, giving lectures about the dangers etc.

As ever, I think focusing on breaking a specific law rather than the overall safety of the situation is silly.

Pete. wrote:
A red light for you means that someone else has a green light, they are not expecting anyone - pedestrian, cyclist or motorist - to come through the red so aren't prepared to take action against it.

Green does not mean go.
Green means 'go if it's safe to do so'.
Generally you should not know if another part of the junction is on red or green as they have covers to hid that to avoid confusion.

Sparks on here found this out to his cost when he pulled out on to a main road on a green light I believe.
Turns out the main road was also on a green and I've got a feeling he got t-boned by a boxster or something?
His fault because he should have given way.

Until I red his story, I admit it's not something I thought about too much - now I always make a point of still being very observant on green lights for that, if not the people jumping reds anyway.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Running reds... Reply with quote

G wrote:


Pete. wrote:
A red light for you means that someone else has a green light, they are not expecting anyone - pedestrian, cyclist or motorist - to come through the red so aren't prepared to take action against it.

Green does not mean go.
Green means 'go if it's safe to do so'.
Generally you should not know if another part of the junction is on red or green as they have covers to hid that to avoid confusion.



Whenever did you see a set of green lights that weren't red the other way?

I agree, green does not mean that it's safe to proceed, but I stand by what I said - when faced with a green, motorists do not expect anything to come from the direction of a red. By and large they disregard it as a likelyhood.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Running reds... Reply with quote

Outside where I lived in Reading for a while at least, late at night half the junction would be green.
(A quite long sequence in the day time, but no need at night.)

Common for there to be green for straight on and green for the oncoming lane to turn right across the path.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 15 Jul 2013    Post subject: Re: Running reds... Reply with quote

G wrote:
Outside where I lived in Reading for a while at least, late at night half the junction would be green.
(A quite long sequence in the day time, but no need at night.)

Common for there to be green for straight on and green for the oncoming lane to turn right across the path.


Granted but that is no different to a 2-sequence lights with no filter lane - drivers expect approaching vehicles to have the same green that they face themselves. Vehicles are also usually facing each other in direct sight.
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