Offence to not insure a vehicle

[Kickstart]

Hi

Check this:-

https://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety/documents/page/dft_rdsafety_033114.hcsp

Note this line

[instigator]

Quiet possibly one os the stupidest ideas I've ever seen.

Are they pulling these ideas out of a hat?

Cheers for letting us know keith.

[Rob W]

Pretty soon it'll be illegal to use the roads even if you have insurance, Tax, MOT and a licence. Yet another pathetic idea
____________________
TS50 > Senda 125 > ZXR400 > CB-1 > GSX-R1000 > Bandit 600 > ZXR750 H1 > GSX-R750 SRAD > '98 RR-W Fireblade > T595 Daytona > Hornet 900 > '04 Fireblade > GSX-S1000F (x2) > '23 XSR900

[map]

Feel I have to ask in light of the thread when I asked 'Is it worth joining...' what is the BMF and MAG organisation response/view on this?

- please provide answer or link to the information, Thanks
____________________
...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
Gibbs, what did Duckie look like when he was younger?

[dodsi]

Currently my speedfight is not insured so therefore it would be an offence to take it outside, clean and wax it and put it back in the garage,

it never gets taken on the road (except when NS-keith did )

seems like a good money spinner for insurance companies too!

[Sparks!]

Oh great so we have to insure the old bike sat in the shed in boxes then just because the government say so

Gay.
____________________
Current Toys: 06 Yamaha WR250F | Nissan 350Z GT | Tech 4 Homes

[Kickstart]

Hi

They do propose exemptions for those which are declared SORN, but then the DVLA are well known for loosing SORN declarations. Also if you are out of the country for any length of time it is quite possible for the owner to not receive the SORN notice until too late.

Yet another piece of pointless bureaucracy.

No doubt once they worked out that this scheme cost them money the DVLA would want to collect another £5 off you for declaring that when you declare SORN you have no insurance. They are already proposing a charge for declaring SORN, as although it was meant to increase the tax take it is actually costing them money (which I personally think shows that the system is a failure and should be scrapped).

All the best

Keith
____________________
Traxpics, track day and racing photographs - Bimota Forum - Bike performance / thrust graphs for choosing gearing

[mchaggis]

[map]

Looks like this will hit classic bike owners and collectors.
How would you go about just insuring a frame?
Wouldn't that be covered on your house insurance? (like a pushbike is)

This all looks silly and open to too much abuse.
I guess they'll just use the V5s to check, but judging by how many bikes are sold on the likes of eBay with the V5 missing this would be laughable.
____________________
...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
Gibbs, what did Duckie look like when he was younger?

[headlamp]

Another example of bureaucratic stupidity. They way to prevent uninsured drivers is to 'target' vehicles that have no insurance, check against cars that have SORN and inform local police. If the car is on the road then it should be confiscated and unless there are extenuating circumstances (like the driver/owner has Alzheimers or something), the vehicle should be destroyed and the driver fined in excess of £500. At the moment driving without insurance attracts fines of c. £100 plus points.
____________________
Using a mobile phone while driving a car should be made a capital offence!

[TheShaggyDA]

Sounds like FUD.. :-

[map]

[Rob]

[tintin]

I would be happier to comply if I felt anything was really being done about uninsured vehicles.

Why can't they issue an 'insurance disc' similar to a tax disc which needs to be displayed at all times, at least this would make targeting uninsured drivers easier.
____________________
The older I get the better I was

[Kickstart]

Hi

An insurance disk is a reasonable idea. Could also have an MOT disk and then get rid of the tax disk.

For insurance I would be more tempted with the idea of including the cost of 3rd party injury cover in the cost of petrol, with any damage cover being down to the individual and optional. This would really force the insurance industry to compete with novel policies, as at the end of the day you could just not have insurance.

They have plenty of ANPR set ups and can quite happily pull over those driving without insurance on the spot. They would rather (it seems) go for the cheap solution of sending people fines through the post, lumping together those who have done nothing wrong except failed to follow some bureaucratic rules to the letter, with those who have deliberately broken rather more important laws, while forgetting that the ones that they really do need to be catching are also the ones who will not have the vehicle registered in their name so are not traceable from the registration number.

All the best

Keith
____________________
Traxpics, track day and racing photographs - Bimota Forum - Bike performance / thrust graphs for choosing gearing

[map]

[Sadie]

[Rhino]

[flat spot]

Don't forget the govenment also takes a small percentage in tax from insurance now. So, they make it law to insure all vehicals whether in use or not and they get a fee for free thanks very much.

[Kickstart]

[hugo-a-gogo]

[Robin]

[Ste]

[paulyzf600]

The thing is it does'nt change a sodding thing what so ever. I swear our government is actually the london zoo monkeys cos it seems there idea's get wilder and wilder!

There are many things to be said but I just can't be bothered to say.
So long as the DVLA get their fingers out of each others arses and log the info properly it might work (even if it makes completely no difference). I have a car in the garage which is SORN declared and so long as the DVLA remember it it's fine!
____________________
Yamaha YZF600 Thundercat