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matt4395
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: AJS Nac12 Engine. Reply with quote

Hi guys and girls.
I'm probably going to get a lot of judgement right now, but I would rather like an AJS Nac12 125cc I love the look, the feel etc and it just seems perfect for me.

I was wondering if anyone knows about the reliability of the engine and only the engine. I mean if there are any issues how easy are they to rectify...blah blah blah the same old stuff.

I know a lot about bike maintenance plus my dad has had something stupid like 35 years of experience with motorbike repair, diagnostics and things.

But yeah if anyone can tell me anything about the engine that'd be great. Thanks guys Smile

If you're going to be insulting towards me because of my interest in this bike then kindly leave it out.

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PostPosted: 22:01 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://t.qkme.me/3shkxw.jpg

No clue personally sorry Wink
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay thanks, do you know anything about the bike in general?
I've heard it can be a bit dodgy (I've previously owned a chinese bike so I've got plenty of experience when it comes to fixing most small and some major faults)
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally - maybe biased and unqualified opinion having never OWNED a chinese bike, but i've known many a person to of owned them and had a barrel of grief and wouldn't go near them with a barge pole myself - also because of their horrendous devaluation [from their already low price] and difficulty in selling them.

If you have good experience confidence and patience to fix things that may require it more often than some other bikes its not something to rule out i guess for the price - but that all being said - why not just get something more reliable and value holding that will do the job for the short time you'll probably want such a small-end bike before moving up unless you intend to genuienely keep it a very long time - in which case its back to the is a chinese bike really a good idea for this plan questioning Confused
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Water cooled parallel twin "balance shaft" 125cc? That only makes 8.5kW?

That's exactly the same as the typical CG-copy 156GMI pushrod lump, but with a hojillion more things to go wrong.

Also, the £1800 price is just ridiculous. It's just another generic £200 Chinese bike with a no-name badge and a 900% markup. CMPO.co.uk don't carry parts, getting insurance will be the usual lengthy, expensive chore, and it'll plummet in value, making any reliability issue largely moot - it comes with a guaranteed high cost of ownership.

You should ask your dad what he thinks, and listen very carefully to the answer.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The makers should rot in hell for what they have done to the once proud name AJS.
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really I only intend to be keeping the bike for around a year and a half until I've done my A1 motorcycle license so I can move up to a real motorbike. It's mainly just something cheap to get me to and from college and work. Insurance I've already checked and most places actually have the bike listed. My friend is selling one because he's not got a CBR 250 after doing his A1. He just used it for a bit of road experience etc you know?
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much are you planning to spend on it - what miles and what condition roughly Question
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

£650 And it's done around 5000 miles I think
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any idea on the insurance quotes Confused

The thing is 650 isnt BAD even if it devalues, but even with knowledge and patience if shit goes wrong, it only takes a few things and some delivery/sourcing costs if the parts proove a bugger to find and it'll quickly add up - factor in the loss even on 650 just because it is what it is.

And overall the hassle free alternative and less drop/maintenance issues being likely to occur of something more simple and 'mainstream' still would stand out as the better option in my opinion.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt4395 wrote:
Really I only intend to be keeping the bike for around a year and a half until I've done my A1 motorcycle license so I can move up to a real motorbike. It's mainly just something cheap to get me to and from college and work. Insurance I've already checked and most places actually have the bike listed. My friend is selling one because he's not got a CBR 250 after doing his A1. He just used it for a bit of road experience etc you know?



A1 = 125only
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shit sorry A2 I pressed the wrong button
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are loads of clips of people on their bikes......did find one of an example that is owned by Cheech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QzwdH1WI7Y


But others liked them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxOghuJXBtg
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

matt4395 wrote:

If you're going to be insulting towards me because of my interest in this bike then kindly leave it out.


Hmm, let me think about that....

NO.

Are you a glutton for punishment? You owned one Chinese bike, which you admit was dodgy and most likely a pain in the arse, and now here you are wanting to buy another one?

Aside from the fact that it will be a shit heap like 95% of other Chinese bikes I've seen, it also looks ridiculous. Whoever designed that needs to be shot between the eyes. Seriously. It's horrific. I mean where the hell did they get the idea for an under-seat exhaust on a 125 twin? The frame dwarfs the engine, the tank looks ridiculous, the shocks look to be made of plastic and the front end looks fresh off of a 1990 CG 125.

It's a horrible mash up of shite ready to rot away in front of your eyes. IMO you should go and buy a YBR, do your tests ASAP and then get something bigger.

As to personal experience, although I haven't worked on this particular bike I have worked on a friends JSM Trail 125. It was and still is a shite heap, frame rotting away after a year, dropped a valve after 2000 miles and needed a new engine (under their warranty, which was a fucking battle), all of the bolts on it were made of cheese and it chucked a front wheel bearing at 1800 miles.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 28 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay thanks, From the sounds of what you're all saying I'll probably leave it well alone. The trouble was I've been getting mixed reviews about it from people who've owned it.

Yeah I owned a chinese bike. Once I'd worked all the kinks out (Which took about a month) it's been absolutely fine and hasn't actually failed me since then.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 28 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. Well, it's taken its big depreciation hit, and you're not going to bag a decent Japanese branded bike for that money in summer. Thinking

He'll have been ragging the nuts off of it, that's a given. Do you know that he's done oil changes on it? 5,000 miles (might be km) should be at least 3 changes.

For that money, it might be OK. You know the risks, you'll know that you need to give it a thorough going-over both before and after purchase, and prophylactically sort out anything that looks remotely dodgy.

Pay particular attention to the tyres, bearings, bushes, chain and sprockets, suspension, and exhaust - you'll likely find that the cost of a replacement twin pipe system will exceed the value of the bike by the time you're done with it. If if it needs anything done (and if in doubt, assume it will) then do factor that into the price.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 28 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's not actually been ragging the shit out of it, he's not that kind of rider lol
Yeah he's done I think he's actually done 4 oil changes in that time.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 28 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

daft question...

if your still happy with the reliability of the bike you have, why change? if your only looking to use the new bike for a year why bother possibly loosing a few hundred quid?

me personally id keep the cash for a nicer bike when you pass your test


on the AJS... ive not got any direct experiance but they seem to be the least supported chinky brand atm
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 28 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valid point in all fairness. The trouble is my current bike is a 50cc...Need I say more? Lol I am lucky if I can hit 40mph. It's just not safe at all.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 28 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought AJS were Indian not Chinese?
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 28 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i.p.phrealy wrote:
I thought AJS were Indian not Chinese?


No, definitely Chinese tat sold under license.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJS#AJS_Motorcycles_Ltd._.28today.29

You're thinking of Royal Enfield that are now Indian. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
Front suspensions soft & they're a little undergeared. On first service we go +1 on the front sprocket, add a little preload & thicker fork oil.

Not typical chineese tat, the guys at AJS are utterly fantastic with spares backup/technical and nothings ever more than 48hrs away. Early bikes were terrible, now theyre getting there.

With that said;

Dont buy the NAC, go for an eco. Those little fuckers just wont die & come off the same production line as the YBR. Genuine yammy bits fit em all the way through too...we also hardly see any on warranty. Would own one myself.


Thanks for adding actual information to this thread. I own a Jianshe JS125-6B which is the same bike as the eco and have been very impressed for the money.

Do you know much about the NAC? Who makes it and is the engine design a copy of anything?
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
The eco does say Jianshe all over it.


As did the YBR Abz turned up on yesterday, and the one I viewed with him last week. Jianshe are getting around like AIDS.
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