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PostPosted: 21:08 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Getting CBR 600 f Reply with quote

Well, it's that time.

Sold my ER5 last week for a pitiful £150 (had no MOT and was a general heap with twisted handlebars/no exhaust etc.)

So now that my 2 years is up on the restricted A licence I'm moving onto bigger, better and less rusted things. Seeing a guy tomorrow who is selling his used 2002 CBR 600f and wondering if any of you gents happen to have/had this fine vehicle? Or any similar inline 4.

Any thoughts/tips/help on what I should be looking out for when I take it for a test ride? What should I be expecting going from an old parallel twin to an inline 4?

Oh and finally how do I go about getting proof of my NCB from my previous insurers? They've not sent my any certificate or anything only letters saying I have 1-2 years NCB for my renewal.

Thanks for any help in advance guys,

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PostPosted: 21:54 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh and finally how do I go about getting proof of my NCB from my previous insurers? They've not sent my any certificate or anything only letters saying I have 1-2 years NCB for my renewal.


I would of thought the letter in itself is evidence perhaps, but if not [has your current policy ended yet] normally they send you NCB proof at the end of the policy. If not ring the lazy bastards Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh and finally how do I go about getting proof of my NCB from my previous insurers? They've not sent my any certificate or anything only letters saying I have 1-2 years NCB for my renewal.


I would of thought the letter in itself is evidence perhaps, but if not [has your current policy ended yet] normally they send you NCB proof at the end of the policy. If not ring the lazy bastards Thumbs Up


It runs out this week.
All I've had through the door is a renewal for the ER5 which was a 5ver less than what I paid last year (lol).
Swapping insurers anyway so I'll just give them my old details and let them do the legwork.

Cheers for the replies guys. I'm really looking forward to/shitting myself for this bike tomorrow. I don't think my balls are big enough for a 110hp bike, but the ER5 just felt so sluggish and lacked any power.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC my NCB came through after it expired.

If you've been on a 500 i doubt it'll be too much of a jump to be honest, i went from a 125 to [restricted initally 600] but i've never felt remotely out of control. Just don't go twisting the throttle like you're ringing a chickens neck and keep in mind its a bit more than your previous bike on the power-side of things and it'll be fine Thumbs Up have fun
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Contact your insurers, request they send your proof of NCB once your policy expires. Some don't automatically send it.

When you have it, scan it in and email it to your new insurer (within the 7-14 days they specify).

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If you've been on a 500 i doubt it'll be too much of a jump to be honest


CBR600F will feel ballistic after riding an ER5 lol. Not unmanageable, but definitely a jump. An awesome jump.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps not then my bad Razz

Was going by a CB500 i've been on vs my ZX6, maybe i'm overly cautious on the throttle Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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CBR600F will feel ballistic after riding an ER5 lol. Not unmanageable, but definitely a jump. An awesome jump.

I wish I could have filmed the grin on my face reading that Thumbs Up

Yeah I'll be phoning the new insurers tomorrow, hopefully they'll be able to sort everything out as last time I spoke to Express Insurance they were trying to charge me £35 for not sending them a photocopy of my Licence in time (I had done 3 times). Not looking forward to speaking to those tossers again.

On a side note with the laws changed with learner motorcyclists and everything, since I passed my full A licence 2 years ago I take it all these changes don't effect me? I'm still under 21 you see.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact you passed your license before the changes and its two years on means you should be unrestricted and 'free' to ride whatever you want as far as i'm aware Confused
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
The fact you passed your license before the changes and its two years on means you should be unrestricted and 'free' to ride whatever you want as far as i'm aware Confused


Awesome Very Happy
Was getting a little worried as I only realised today that the laws had changed already, how time flies eh.

Thanks again for the help guys, I'm just gutted it looks like I've missed all the good weather for the year Sad
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah my 2 years restricted flew by, i was lucky as you probably were to of got in just in time to avoid all the new bollucks - but yes as far as i've always understood it the changes only affect new licenses after the date the changes came into affect - similarly to the rules about old-car licenses allowing people to ride 50cc's without CBT etc
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah my 2 years restricted flew by, i was lucky as you probably were to of got in just in time to avoid all the new bollucks - but yes as far as i've always understood it the changes only affect new licenses after the date the changes came into affect - similarly to the rules about old-car licenses allowing people to ride 50cc's without CBT etc


Sounds good to me Thumbs Up

Still don't understand how these new tests are going to help new riders become "safer". It's beyond me, but I'll leave that for another thread.

If I do end up getting the bike I'm seeing tomorrow it's going to be a 3 hour ride back, hopefully I don't get too tempted to make it much less than 3 else I might not get back all Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will feel good if you keep the revs screaming up to the limiter...you know you want to.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sort of roads is it on. I went from my 125, to 6 months off a bike, to a 2 hour ride on the restricted ZX6 [in good weather - fuck if it was raining to be honest Rolling Eyes ] and it went alright.

I just kept telling myself how good it would look and feel to have it sat safely in the garage that night Laughing vs lying in a hedge row - seemed to work Rolling Eyes

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Still don't understand how these new tests are going to help new riders become "safer". It's beyond me, but I'll leave that for another thread.

I'm a bit of a stickler for some of the safety arguements but i do agree i don't see the benefit personally, i also don't see the link between certain ages and a sudden increase in maturity as the system seems to go by at the moment Confused Its all individual mindset in my opinion.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What sort of roads is it on. I went from my 125, to 6 months off a bike, to a 2 hour ride on the restricted ZX6 [in good weather - fuck if it was raining to be honest Rolling Eyes ] and it went alright.

I just kept telling myself how good it would look and feel to have it sat safely in the garage that night Laughing vs lying in a hedge row - seemed to work Rolling Eyes

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Still don't understand how these new tests are going to help new riders become "safer". It's beyond me, but I'll leave that for another thread.

I'm a bit of a stickler for some of the safety arguments but i do agree i don't see the benefit personally, i also don't see the link between certain ages and a sudden increase in maturity as the system seems to go by at the moment Confused Its all individual mindset in my opinion.


It will be mainly the A90-dual carriageway. But I'm ever so tempted to take 5~ hours and take nice twisty B roads Cool
I'll see how the weathers looking, forecast is okay now but knowing the BBC it'll start pishing down 5 minutes in.

Did you have it restricted to 33BHP? That must have been like having its balls in a vice Embarassed

Yeah I get the incentive for the tests and it seems like it has good intentions but it seems ridiculous for a newer rider to be taking 2/3 tests in 2/3 years. Getting a bike is supposed to be a cheaper alternative to a car and it's just negating it all for the newer riders. Not to mention the hastle.
To cast all younger riders into the same bucket because some will want to just straight onto a gixxer seems unfair on the sensible riders who just want to get experience.
And anyway, I don't have the statistics but aren't the highest group killed by supersports and high powered machines the over 40s trying to relive their youth after not riding for x years?
They should be focusing them, not the students trying to make ends meet~
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the weathers as on/off as it was here today i wouldnt chance it Laughing we had a parasol from two gardens along blow up about 20 foot in the air, and come land in our garden smashing a drain pipe on the house in the process - not the best biking weather Rolling Eyes

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Did you have it restricted to 33BHP? That must have been like having its balls in a vice Embarassed

Yeah it was to 33bhp inline with the rules at that time [and i did leave it restricted the whole two years Dance! ]. This is a common response i get but actually its quite the opposite in reality in my case at least.

I went from a 125 - so even a 600 [actually 636cc] restricted to 33bhp was a huge leap still - from the moment i set off on it i noticed the difference in power and speed, and to put in perspective the power it still had i would of thought nearly all cars would of struggled to keep up with it off the line at lights not that i was regularly tearing away like a hooligan Laughing

Even restricted also i would predict it would comfortably go well over the national speed limit if desired on occasion Wink

For me it was a very valuable and confidence inspiring step having it restricted as it allowed me to get used to the feel and weight of the bigger bike with plenty of power to carry it and get upto reasonable speeds - [speeds that i still rarely exceed even unrestricted], but without the manic power of it unrestricted.

The only difference now really is if i really do wish to REALLY accelerate theres a lot more throttle and response there if i do keep twisting, and then yes it is like a rocket - but i very rarely use it.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 29 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If the weathers as on/off as it was here today i wouldnt chance it Laughing we had a parasol from two gardens along blow up about 20 foot in the air, and come land in our garden smashing a drain pipe on the house in the process - not the best biking weather Rolling Eyes

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Did you have it restricted to 33BHP? That must have been like having its balls in a vice Embarassed

Yeah it was to 33bhp inline with the rules at that time [and i did leave it restricted the whole two years Dance! ]. This is a common response i get but actually its quite the opposite in reality in my case at least.

I went from a 125 - so even a 600 [actually 636cc] restricted to 33bhp was a huge leap still - from the moment i set off on it i noticed the difference in power and speed, and to put in perspective the power it still had i would of thought nearly all cars would of struggled to keep up with it off the line at lights not that i was regularly tearing away like a hooligan Laughing

Even restricted also i would predict it would comfortably go well over the national speed limit if desired on occasion Wink

For me it was a very valuable and confidence inspiring step having it restricted as it allowed me to get used to the feel and weight of the bigger bike with plenty of power to carry it and get upto reasonable speeds - [speeds that i still rarely exceed even unrestricted], but without the manic power of it unrestricted.

The only difference now really is if i really do wish to REALLY accelerate theres a lot more throttle and response there if i do keep twisting, and then yes it is like a rocket - but i very rarely use it.


Haha, yeah I don't fancy a ride back if the weather was like it was today, I was in work and lightning hit accross the street, knocking our power off for about 20 minutes.
Hopefully If I like it I'll be able to give him a deposit and come collect it sometime the weather man in the sky is up to it Thumbs Up

Haha, sounds like you still had loads of fun on it even restricted. I never bothered getting my ER5 restricted (oops) but that felt like crazy power when I got it. Then I crashed it last year and it's been downhill ever since. The story of my ER5 is beginning to sound eerily similar to my ex... Laughing

How was the jump going from taking your restricter out? I'm thinking about getting some sort of throttle limiter I can put on the handle to stop me accidentally a whole wheelie
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 30 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally i felt little difference, i found on my bike at least i went by 'sound' more than anything.

After two years riding, i had it imprinted in my mind that turning the thottle this much = this much acceleration, so that was naturally how i continued riding, and that combined with the sound meant anything more than that i would have to really CHOOSE to really increase to, and subsequently the increased engine noise and speed was obvious of course.

I admit when i set off i had horror-stories in my mind of accidently backflipping at the first set of lights but if you're not one for powering away from a stop you really won't feel 'out of control', i've briefly ridden a 1000cc this year and it was a relatively similar experience, i'm not sure i'd be EAGER to move onto a 1000 yet as theres still that extra power to be aware of at some point sooner or later, but its mainly about your state of mind and how controlled and thoughtful you are with you're riding i'd say, ultimately you are in control of the bike not vice versa.
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 30 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Personally i felt little difference, i found on my bike at least i went by 'sound' more than anything.

After two years riding, i had it imprinted in my mind that turning the thottle this much = this much acceleration, so that was naturally how i continued riding, and that combined with the sound meant anything more than that i would have to really CHOOSE to really increase to, and subsequently the increased engine noise and speed was obvious of course.

I admit when i set off i had horror-stories in my mind of accidently backflipping at the first set of lights but if you're not one for powering away from a stop you really won't feel 'out of control', i've briefly ridden a 1000cc this year and it was a relatively similar experience, i'm not sure i'd be EAGER to move onto a 1000 yet as theres still that extra power to be aware of at some point sooner or later, but its mainly about your state of mind and how controlled and thoughtful you are with you're riding i'd say, ultimately you are in control of the bike not vice versa.


Sounds like good stuff Thumbs Up

You've helped calm my nerves for tomorrow so cheers, I'll update the thread if I go ahead with it.

Thanks again for all your help man Angelic
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 30 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My brothers just moved from a 125 to a DL650 V twin except his licence is restricted to 33 for two years. It took a while to sort out the restrictor in his so I put my throttle stop back in my CBR6 and Ive been riding both. Its still a lot of fun, but acceleration almost non existant past 50mph Laughing **

But dont be scared of flipping it. Keep revs low in 1st gear.. Normal riding is below 6k rpm, where it is very tame, more than a twin. It takes off at 9k rpm, so aviod being in first gear. Second is still fucking fast, 3rd is tame but will have you speeding Laughing


** worth noting my fuel economy has gone from 120 miles to 150 miles per tank with restrictor in Laughing Might keep it in a while. My slow cornering sucks and this lets me have throttle pinned open while lent over Laughing

Having made a throttle stop for the DL650 I might try to copy the CBR6 stop but give it ~50 horses.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 30 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBR6f is great. (I have a 2000 model so it's got Carbs, but its the same bike in every other respect)
Low insurance for a sports 600.
Easy to ride.
Comfy.
Doesn't power wheelie so you can crack the throttle open and not worry about the front coming up.
Rides great with pillion.
Dont know what to say really... You'll be fine.

It's a Honda so it will probably still run even if you top the oil up with sand.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 30 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take it easy on your first ride to get used to it, even little things like how much throttle you're used to using to pull away on your 500 will be way different and it will probably seem so responsive!

I know my Hornet did after my 125, it's an absolute change for the better and I'm sure you'll love it, hope the weathers decent for you, and as a biker you'll probably always remember your first ride and full throttle moments Laughing

Let us know how it goes! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 30 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, thats me just got home. It was raining all day so I was only able to get a look in his garage and start it up. Everything looks in order so I said I'd be round tomorrow to have a test ride weather permitting.
I'll update depending on how that fiasco goes Thumbs Up

Cheers for the tips guys, I remember my first ride on the ER5 felt like I was on a rollercoaster Surprised
Going to nanny it until I get home (intend to Laughing)
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 30 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't go nanny on it, you're a big boy now. Enjoy your ride home! The 125 to ER5 jump is much scarier than something like an ER5 to a CBR jump.

Going from my 125 to my 500 twin was difficult; I didn't have the throttle control. With my 125 it was just full throttle everywhere as it was just so fricken slow. Took me a while to get used to. Going from my 500 twin to any other bike was really easy (and I've ridden a fair few of mostly Paddy's bikes now - check my profile for the complete list) Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 30 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need pictures!

I have a 2002 CBR600F, and it's an awesome bike. It's my second (I bounced the first one down the road). It's great for a day out whizzing around the twisties, comfy for commuting, and even great for touring. I've taken mine around France a couple of times and all around Scotland. It's never missed a beat and always fires up with the lightest touch of starter.

I keep looking at bigger bikes, but then I look at my CBR600F and realise how much fun it is.

Take it easy at first. It can really shift and the difference between an ER5 and this will be pretty big, at least until you get used to it.

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